rog 0 Posted August 17, 2005 Share Posted August 17, 2005 PokerStars 0.25/0.50 Hold'em (10 handed) converterPreflop: Rog is Button with [Kd], [As]. UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, 5 folds, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls.Flop: (9 SB) [Ac], [Jh], [5c] (4 players)SB checks, UTG checks, UTG+1 bets, SB folds, UTG folds, UTG+1 calls.Turn: (6.50 BB) [9c] (2 players)UTG+1 bets, UTG+1 calls.River: (10.50 BB) [Ad] (2 players)UTG+1 bets, Rog calls.Final Pot: 12.50 BB Link to post Share on other sites
amarillotg 0 Posted August 17, 2005 Share Posted August 17, 2005 PokerStars 0.25/0.50 Hold'em (10 handed) converterPreflop: Rog is Button with [Kd], [As]. UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, 5 folds, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls.Flop: (9 SB) [Ac], [Jh], [5c] (4 players)SB checks, UTG checks, UTG+1 bets, SB folds, UTG folds, UTG+1 calls.Turn: (6.50 BB) [9c] (2 players)UTG+1 bets, UTG+1 calls.River: (10.50 BB) [Ad] (2 players)UTG+1 betsFinal Pot: 12.50 BBfixed it for ya Link to post Share on other sites
Randy Reed 0 Posted August 17, 2005 Share Posted August 17, 2005 LOL :wink: Link to post Share on other sites
WonderfulSplash 0 Posted August 17, 2005 Share Posted August 17, 2005 The way the villian played this confuses the hell out of me, but I like the way you played it, it seems like he has a weak ace.Edit: you should raise the river... I though you did. Link to post Share on other sites
TheIceman05 0 Posted August 17, 2005 Share Posted August 17, 2005 Raise the river. He's hammering the turn with two pair/set unless he blows whale nuts.Do whales have nuts?Ice Link to post Share on other sites
custom36 5 Posted August 17, 2005 Share Posted August 17, 2005 HmmWhat's he gaybetting that we're ahead of here? I'm leaning towards a river call. Link to post Share on other sites
amarillotg 0 Posted August 17, 2005 Share Posted August 17, 2005 he's gay betting a weak ace. i would have to think he would 3 bet 2 pair here. Link to post Share on other sites
custom36 5 Posted August 17, 2005 Share Posted August 17, 2005 he's gay betting a weak ace. i would have to think he would 3 bet 2 pair here.You'd be wrong. I'm inclined to believe villain has AJ, A5, or 55 more than some other Ax. Link to post Share on other sites
amarillotg 0 Posted August 17, 2005 Share Posted August 17, 2005 he's gay betting a weak ace. i would have to think he would 3 bet 2 pair here.You'd be wrong. I'm inclined to believe villain has AJ, A5, or 55 more than some other Ax.so why didn't he go nuts on the turn? Link to post Share on other sites
rog 0 Posted August 17, 2005 Author Share Posted August 17, 2005 I just called because he bet into me on every street. The second ace doesn't scare him at all, so I think the A filled a boat. That's my rationale anyway. Link to post Share on other sites
KDawgCometh 2 Posted August 17, 2005 Share Posted August 17, 2005 What's he gaybetting that we're ahead of here? I'm leaning towards a river call. Link to post Share on other sites
custom36 5 Posted August 17, 2005 Share Posted August 17, 2005 he's gay betting a weak ace. i would have to think he would 3 bet 2 pair here.You'd be wrong. I'm inclined to believe villain has AJ, A5, or 55 more than some other Ax.so why didn't he go nuts on the turn?Because hero raised twice in a row. Link to post Share on other sites
Jordan 1 Posted August 17, 2005 Share Posted August 17, 2005 .25/.50 and no one raises this river?meh...i wanna raise- Jordan Link to post Share on other sites
TheIceman05 0 Posted August 17, 2005 Share Posted August 17, 2005 Oh man, I didn't even see the flush... Sorry.Call the river.Ice Link to post Share on other sites
WaitingforMyRuca 0 Posted August 17, 2005 Share Posted August 17, 2005 call the river. Link to post Share on other sites
amarillotg 0 Posted August 17, 2005 Share Posted August 17, 2005 Oh man, I didn't even see the flush... Sorry.Call the river.Iceme too. woops. Link to post Share on other sites
Sysvr4 0 Posted August 17, 2005 Share Posted August 17, 2005 Does anyone but me dislike the turn raise? You raised the flop and he pulls a stop and go. I don't raise that turn unless he's LAG. I'd call the turn and river.Jeff Link to post Share on other sites
amarillotg 0 Posted August 17, 2005 Share Posted August 17, 2005 Does anyone but me dislike the turn raise? You raised the flop and he pulls a stop and go. I don't raise that turn unless he's LAG. I'd call the turn and river.Jeffyeah i'd have to agree with this line. getting 3 bet on that turn sucks large. Link to post Share on other sites
rog 0 Posted August 18, 2005 Author Share Posted August 18, 2005 Now we get to the meat of it. I'm not so worried about the river raise/call decision. I was less comfortable on the turn. So are you suggesting it's check/call ont he turn and river? I basically raised to see where I was at. With the smooth call and the lead into me on the river I got my answer. Link to post Share on other sites
Smasharoo 0 Posted August 18, 2005 Share Posted August 18, 2005 So are you suggesting it's check/call ont he turn and river? I basically raised to see where I was at.WTF does that even mean?You're not folding to a three-bet are you? Or to being led into on the river?Where you are is either ahead or crushed. Raising here doesn't define his hand any unless he three-bets. Link to post Share on other sites
rog 0 Posted August 18, 2005 Author Share Posted August 18, 2005 Where you are is either ahead or crushed. Raising here doesn't define his hand any unless he three-bets.So are you saying the raise is wrong, or just the reason for it?I'll take as much criticism and feedback on this hand as I can get. I never got any visibility until he bet into me on the river at that point I was pretty sure I was beat. I think the flop raise was good. I think I'm likely ahead and need to bet aggressively. I expected either a 3-bet, or a call followed by a check on the turn. The bet on the turn leaves me unsure what to do. Link to post Share on other sites
Smasharoo 0 Posted August 18, 2005 Share Posted August 18, 2005 So are you saying the raise is wrong, or just the reason for it?I'm saying I think he has A9 when he bets out and I'm calling this and one more to find out. Link to post Share on other sites
rog 0 Posted August 18, 2005 Author Share Posted August 18, 2005 Okay, so the line is call down from the turn. I get 4:1 to call two more big bets, and I should be good here 20% of the time. Raise is a waste because I'm calling the 3-bet here anyway so I lose 1 or 2 extra BB when I'm behind, and gain only 1 (or maybe none) when I'm ahead. I have to be ahead most of the time for this to make sense. Even knowing if I'm ahead or behind doesn't really help me. Have I got it? Link to post Share on other sites
Smasharoo 0 Posted August 18, 2005 Share Posted August 18, 2005 Yeah it's really pretty simple. You're behind more than you're not, but there's enough in the pot to call down for the times you're not. Link to post Share on other sites
rog 0 Posted August 18, 2005 Author Share Posted August 18, 2005 Yeah it's really pretty simple.Heh heh...yeah, no need to outplay myself. Easy to get caught up in aggression and forget why you're doing it. Link to post Share on other sites
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