i want to cry right now, two a-a-x-x hands (o8)

[akishore 0]

$10/$20 omaha hi/lo, ten-handedi'm EP with A A 4 2 .i open-raise, LP cold-calls, blinds fold.(5 SB) A K 3 i bet, LP raises, i three-bet, LP calls.(5 BB) 2 i bet, LP raises, i call.(9 BB) 7 i check, LP bets, i make a crying call.$10/$20 omaha hi/lo, ten-handedi'm MP with A A 3 3 .EP open-raises, i three-bet, folds to the SB who cold-calls, EP calls.(10 SB) J 8 5 SB checks, EP checks, i bet, SB calls, EP calls.(6 BB) 6 SB checks, EP checks, i bet (should i be checking here for some reason? i planned on folding to a raise right there and then), SB calls, EP calls.(9 BB) 4 SB bets, EP calls, i should fold but i make another crying call even though i'm 95% sure i'm beat in both directions but i'm just on semi tilt now.i hate variance with a passion.aseemEDIT: i got the action on the second hand wrong. corrected.

[Rocketwadster 0]

You know where the bad beats section is right??? LOL That first hand would have been mighty hard to swallow. Ace Ace double suited with low cards...man oh man...Now the second hand:Would it not be worth the raise on the river there, in the hopes that the SB re-raises, making it 2-cold to the EP to call, maybe getting them to fold a hand that may have you beat for the high and/or low? EP definately doesn't have ace 2 IMO (or they would have raised on the river, no?). :?

[JacKingOff_suit 0]

Stop it for another day, aseem, today it's not meant for you. Just remember the names of those cold-hearted idiots and come back next time.

[akishore 0]

i don't like raising the river at all. loose players almost never fold to two back to them after they've put in one.plus, the only low that beats me is the nut low--no one is folding that. further, the SB suddenly waking up on the FOURTH low card probably means he now has a straight, so i'm never folding a better high.at BEST, i get EP to fold another A-3 that he's playing passively, but i think that's too many parlays (he has A-3, AND he will fold to two cold back to him, AND SB doesn't have A-2 with his straight, etc.) to make it profitable.what i'm concerned about is the turn. the bet was correct, or should i have just checked and tried to go to showdown cheaply?aseem

[JacKingOff_suit 0]

Now I saw your 2nd hand, you were really on tilt. I would checked the turn and folded the river.

[Rocketwadster 0]

Now I saw your 2nd hand, you were really on tilt. I would checked the turn and folded the river.

Why fold the river? What low bets him? SB doesn't have ace 2 by the looks of things (or he would have bet on the turn). EP doesn't have it by the looks of things (or he would have raised on the river). At least that is how I see it, which is why I thought that maybe a raise on the river there would get EP to fold, thereby increasing our chances of scooping. 8)

[JacKingOff_suit 0]

Now I saw your 2nd hand, you were really on tilt. I would checked the turn and folded the river.

Why fold the river? What low bets him? SB doesn't have ace 2 by the looks of things (or he would have bet on the turn). EP doesn't have it by the looks of things (or he would have raised on the river). At least that is how I see it, which is why I thought that maybe a raise on the river there would get EP to fold, thereby increasing our chances of scooping. 8)

It's obvious that the high is dead for AA33 since we've got only top pair and that's it. Now for the low, one of them may have A2 without the high and doesn't want to be 1/4'ed (or doesn't want to get counterfeited before the river) because don't forget that Aseem 3bet preflop so you can assume someone who called your 3-bet had A2. Now think about it from Aseem's opponent's angle. If I am holding A2, it's natural for me to think that Aseem can have a great chance of having A2. If I had A2 and nothing else then it would be correct for me to check call all the way even I get quartered because actually there were 11 (instead of 10) SBs preflop already. In limit, it may be correct to call one bet on the river. But my instinct tells me no. Don't forget Aseem was on tilt yesterday, it's that how you handle steaming to minimize loss defines you as a poker player.Edited: I would like to hear from Aseem that if in fact anyone's got A2.

[Rocketwadster 0]

Now I saw your 2nd hand, you were really on tilt. I would checked the turn and folded the river.

Why fold the river? What low bets him? SB doesn't have ace 2 by the looks of things (or he would have bet on the turn). EP doesn't have it by the looks of things (or he would have raised on the river). At least that is how I see it, which is why I thought that maybe a raise on the river there would get EP to fold, thereby increasing our chances of scooping. 8)

It's obvious that the high is dead for AA33 since we've got only top pair and that's it. Now for the low, one of them may have A2 without the high and doesn't want to be 1/4'ed (or doesn't want to get counterfeited before the river) because don't forget that Aseem 3bet preflop so you can assume someone who called your 3-bet had A2. Now think about it from Aseem's opponent's angle. If I am holding A2, it's natural for me to think that Aseem can have a great chance of having A2. If I had A2 and nothing else then it would be correct for me to check call all the way even I get quartered because actually there were 11 (instead of 10) SBs preflop already. In limit, it may be correct to call one bet on the river. But my instinct tells me no. Don't forget Aseem was on tilt yesterday, it's that how you handle steaming to minimize loss defines you as a poker player.Edited: I would like to hear from Aseem that if in fact anyone's got A2.

did you misread the hand/board? we have trip aces, not top pair...huge difference.

[JacKingOff_suit 0]

Now I saw your 2nd hand, you were really on tilt. I would checked the turn and folded the river.

Why fold the river? What low bets him? SB doesn't have ace 2 by the looks of things (or he would have bet on the turn). EP doesn't have it by the looks of things (or he would have raised on the river). At least that is how I see it, which is why I thought that maybe a raise on the river there would get EP to fold, thereby increasing our chances of scooping. 8)

It's obvious that the high is dead for AA33 since we've got only top pair and that's it. Now for the low, one of them may have A2 without the high and doesn't want to be 1/4'ed (or doesn't want to get counterfeited before the river) because don't forget that Aseem 3bet preflop so you can assume someone who called your 3-bet had A2. Now think about it from Aseem's opponent's angle. If I am holding A2, it's natural for me to think that Aseem can have a great chance of having A2. If I had A2 and nothing else then it would be correct for me to check call all the way even I get quartered because actually there were 11 (instead of 10) SBs preflop already. In limit, it may be correct to call one bet on the river. But my instinct tells me no. Don't forget Aseem was on tilt yesterday, it's that how you handle steaming to minimize loss defines you as a poker player.Edited: I would like to hear from Aseem that if in fact anyone's got A2.

did you misread the hand/board? we have trip aces, not top pair...huge difference.

I am talking about the second hand, moron.

[Rocketwadster 0]

Now I saw your 2nd hand, you were really on tilt. I would checked the turn and folded the river.

Why fold the river? What low bets him? SB doesn't have ace 2 by the looks of things (or he would have bet on the turn). EP doesn't have it by the looks of things (or he would have raised on the river). At least that is how I see it, which is why I thought that maybe a raise on the river there would get EP to fold, thereby increasing our chances of scooping. 8)

It's obvious that the high is dead for AA33 since we've got only top pair and that's it. Now for the low, one of them may have A2 without the high and doesn't want to be 1/4'ed (or doesn't want to get counterfeited before the river) because don't forget that Aseem 3bet preflop so you can assume someone who called your 3-bet had A2. Now think about it from Aseem's opponent's angle. If I am holding A2, it's natural for me to think that Aseem can have a great chance of having A2. If I had A2 and nothing else then it would be correct for me to check call all the way even I get quartered because actually there were 11 (instead of 10) SBs preflop already. In limit, it may be correct to call one bet on the river. But my instinct tells me no. Don't forget Aseem was on tilt yesterday, it's that how you handle steaming to minimize loss defines you as a poker player.Edited: I would like to hear from Aseem that if in fact anyone's got A2.

did you misread the hand/board? we have trip aces, not top pair...huge difference.

I am talking about the second hand, moron.

i completely forgot there was a second hand (I had scrolled to the original post and saw the trip aces)...lollet me review...it appears that most of my later comments were based on the wrong hand...loloops :oops:

[JacKingOff_suit 0]

Hey are you interested in Aseem's strategy table?

[Rocketwadster 0]

Hey are you interested in Aseem's strategy table?

I think we need to get aseem to agree to post only one hand per post from now on (so idiots like me don't get them mixed up a day or two later) before we get him to give us a table...lol

[akishore 0]

honestly, the second hand might have been tilt, but i don't mind the call. it would be horrific to find both of them with no A2 but instead some other coordinated hand.if SB or EP had bet on the TURN, now THEN i was definitely folding. but when they just check and check and check and check, i felt like i should bet in position last to act on the turn with my second nut low. no one raised (again, i was planning on folding to a raise on the turn), and then i was closing the action on the river for one bet. i couldn't bring myself to fold.and even if it is a slightly -EV call, i think the tilt i would get seeing that my low WAS good would be worth a lot more in losses than just the fraction of a bet i lose by calling.aseem

[akishore 0]

oh, and yeah, both of them had A2.the small blind 3/4ed with A-2-3-x, and EP was 1/4ed with Ah-2-Kh-10 (so he had the nut low on the turn with the nut flush draw... talk about playing it passively!).really, though, i don't mind my river call that much even though i knew i was beat. a crying call is a crying call, and--especially in this game--i just can't trust my hand-reading skills to such a high degree of confidence to fold in that big of a pot for one bet.aseem