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Posted 14 August 2005 - 11:59 PM

After playing for a living for several years and careful longterm analysis, I can say quantitatively that what was summerized here in a few sentences is just about all you need to know--Amazing that such a stupid-simple way of playing can also be the winning way. Basically the times that set over set hit are very remote, and on the river card the overpair odds of hitting are 23:1. Two pair are rare but twice as likely to fill. Essentially the losses are unlikely enough you just don't care. The flushs hitting can cost, but they repay multiple times when they miss or even better the board pairs (I enjoy hearing them queel like little piggys about the bad beat!)The fine points of position bluffing etc. are important to keep you even for all the missed flops, but that comes with a lot of experience--more often than, not the idiots online will call you down with crap, so it's not as big as in a live game at higher stakes. 8)
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Posted 14 August 2005 - 11:59 PM

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once again smash.What is the strat?
it's basically this: go all in every time you know you have a monster advantage. what you do to get that monster advantage is up to you. the very simple way smash advocates is to limp PPs and suited aces and push the flop if they flop a set or flush. sooooper easy. if you want to get fancy, play some hands that make the nut straight, too. but not too many, or you'll look like you're getting too trixy and smash will make fun of you.
what do i do with aa or kk preflop.ALL IN??Limp?

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Posted 15 August 2005 - 12:00 AM

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once again smash.What is the strat?
it's basically this: go all in every time you know you have a monster advantage. what you do to get that monster advantage is up to you. the very simple way smash advocates is to limp PPs and suited aces and push the flop if they flop a set or flush. sooooper easy. if you want to get fancy, play some hands that make the nut straight, too. but not too many, or you'll look like you're getting too trixy and smash will make fun of you.
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Posted 15 August 2005 - 12:01 AM

once again smash.What is the strat?Oh for fuck sake:Fold *everything* but pocket pairs and ace high flush draws. That's right, fold KQs. Fold AKo. Really. Yes. Fold them. Yeah, I'm sure you make money with them and play great postflop, etc. Whatever, fold them. You want as much money in your stack as possible for when you have amassive edge.Limp with QQ. Yes, that's right, limp with it. Fold it if you don't flop a set. That's right. Yes, fold it. Limp also with JJ-22. If you don't flop a set, fold them.If you can't limp, call a small raise with any of these hands. If you don't flop a set, fold.The 1 time in 8 you do flop a set, go all in. Go all in if you act first. Don't check raise, just move in. Go all in if you act last. Don't check hoping they bet into you on the turn, just move in.Also play Axs preflop. Limp with them. Yes, limp with AKs. If you flop a flush draw and can draw cheaply, do. When you make a nut flush on the turn or the river (or flop one) go all in. Cackle gleefully at K high flushes calling you.If you have AA or KK preflop, just go all in, from any position, any time, against any number of limpers or none or whatever. Just move in.That's it.Fold everyhting else. To sum up, here's the strategy that beats LL NL for more BB/100 than 99% of the NL posters on this forum:Play pocket pairs and Axs preflop, fold everything else. Move in preflop with AA and KK, limp everything else, or get in as cheaply as possible. When you flop a set, move in. When you make a nut flush on an unpaired board, move in.That's it.Good luck.
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Posted 15 August 2005 - 12:03 AM

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once again smash.What is the strat?
it's basically this: go all in every time you know you have a monster advantage. what you do to get that monster advantage is up to you. the very simple way smash advocates is to limp PPs and suited aces and push the flop if they flop a set or flush. sooooper easy. if you want to get fancy, play some hands that make the nut straight, too. but not too many, or you'll look like you're getting too trixy and smash will make fun of you.
what do i do with aa or kk preflop.ALL IN??Limp?
i like to go all in. i think smash would be ok with either. i prefer going all in without the set first since the more times you push, the more calls you get, even if you're only pushing with the relative nuts each time.but god, i feel like a donk folding AQo and AKo preflop.

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Posted 15 August 2005 - 12:03 AM

I would love a table full of players using this strategy. Any player with half a brain would figure out what your doing very quickly and would know what your holding most of the time you made a bet. Agreed there are many morons who will not pick up on it and it would defintaly be profitable (if you have the discipline and patience) however, it must be said that a good player would realise what you are doing and use a strategy to counter it and eventually bust you. Using this strategy will only get you so far, you will eventaully have to play against someone sharp enough to work it out and then you may be in trouble.In my experiance, NL is not a game that can be played mechanically. It is a game where adpating constantly and out thinking your oppenents wins you money. The easiest player to beat at a NL table is the guy who is predictable...Just my 2 cents.

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Posted 15 August 2005 - 12:04 AM

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once again smash.What is the strat?Oh for censored sake:Fold *everything* but pocket pairs and ace high flush draws. That's right, fold KQs. Fold AKo. Really. Yes. Fold them. Yeah, I'm sure you make money with them and play great postflop, etc. Whatever, fold them. You want as much money in your stack as possible for when you have amassive edge.Limp with QQ. Yes, that's right, limp with it. Fold it if you don't flop a set. That's right. Yes, fold it. Limp also with JJ-22. If you don't flop a set, fold them.If you can't limp, call a small raise with any of these hands. If you don't flop a set, fold.The 1 time in 8 you do flop a set, go all in. Go all in if you act first. Don't check raise, just move in. Go all in if you act last. Don't check hoping they bet into you on the turn, just move in.Also play Axs preflop. Limp with them. Yes, limp with AKs. If you flop a flush draw and can draw cheaply, do. When you make a nut flush on the turn or the river (or flop one) go all in. Cackle gleefully at K high flushes calling you.If you have AA or KK preflop, just go all in, from any position, any time, against any number of limpers or none or whatever. Just move in.That's it.Fold everyhting else. To sum up, here's the strategy that beats LL NL for more BB/100 than 99% of the NL posters on this forum:Play pocket pairs and Axs preflop, fold everything else. Move in preflop with AA and KK, limp everything else, or get in as cheaply as possible. When you flop a set, move in. When you make a nut flush on an unpaired board, move in.That's it.Good luck.
thanks smash.Now I will pop in the first three star wars get burnt and put this too work.I am very powerfull.But not a jedi yet

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Posted 15 August 2005 - 12:07 AM

haha, this is awesome.smash, after months of just kind of accepting your strategy to work and not really being interested in trying out something so mind-numbingly simple, i think i'm going to give this a try tomorrow or sometime.hahahaha, i can't believe myself. look out $200 NL tables!aseem
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Posted 15 August 2005 - 12:07 AM

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I would love a table full of players using this strategy. Any player with half a brain would figure out what your doing very quickly and would know what your holding most of the time you made a bet. Agreed there are many morons who will not pick up on it and it would defintaly be profitable (if you have the discipline and patience) however, it must be said that a good player would realise what you are doing and use a strategy to counter it and eventually bust you. Using this strategy will only get you so far, you will eventaully have to play against someone sharp enough to work it out and then you may be in trouble.In my experiance, NL is not a game that can be played mechanically. It is a game where adpating constantly and out thinking your oppenents wins you money. The easiest player to beat at a NL table is the guy who is predictable...Just my 2 cents.
it really is funny, but you're totally, totally wrong. i have been doing this for half an hour now, and i've gotten calls on over half of my pushes. that rate is not decreasing. don't overestimate your opponents. the all in always looks "fishy" to even semi-donks. they'll call.

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Posted 15 August 2005 - 12:07 AM

I would love a table full of players using this strategy.Any player with half a brain would figure out what your doing very quickly and would know what your holding most of the time you made a bet.Agreed there are many morons who will not pick up on it and it would defintaly be profitable (if you have the discipline and patience) however, it must be said that a good player would realise what you are doing and use a strategy to counter it and eventually bust you.Using this strategy will only get you so far, you will eventaully have to play against someone sharp enough to work it out and then you may be in trouble.In my experiance, NL is not a game that can be played mechanically. It is a game where adpating constantly and out thinking your oppenents wins you money.The easiest player to beat at a NL table is the guy who is predictable...Just my 2 cents.Yeah, you're wrong.You'd have no idea what was going on, untill you called crushed.At that point you'd never get your money back.You would, however, have the moral victory of knowing you were a good enough player not to use a mechanical strategy as you rebought.Take care.
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Posted 15 August 2005 - 12:12 AM

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once again smash.What is the strat?Oh for censored sake:Fold *everything* but pocket pairs and ace high flush draws. That's right, fold KQs. Fold AKo. Really. Yes. Fold them. Yeah, I'm sure you make money with them and play great postflop, etc. Whatever, fold them. You want as much money in your stack as possible for when you have amassive edge.Limp with QQ. Yes, that's right, limp with it. Fold it if you don't flop a set. That's right. Yes, fold it. Limp also with JJ-22. If you don't flop a set, fold them.If you can't limp, call a small raise with any of these hands. If you don't flop a set, fold.The 1 time in 8 you do flop a set, go all in. Go all in if you act first. Don't check raise, just move in. Go all in if you act last. Don't check hoping they bet into you on the turn, just move in.Also play Axs preflop. Limp with them. Yes, limp with AKs. If you flop a flush draw and can draw cheaply, do. When you make a nut flush on the turn or the river (or flop one) go all in. Cackle gleefully at K high flushes calling you.If you have AA or KK preflop, just go all in, from any position, any time, against any number of limpers or none or whatever. Just move in.That's it.Fold everyhting else. To sum up, here's the strategy that beats LL NL for more BB/100 than 99% of the NL posters on this forum:Play pocket pairs and Axs preflop, fold everything else. Move in preflop with AA and KK, limp everything else, or get in as cheaply as possible. When you flop a set, move in. When you make a nut flush on an unpaired board, move in.That's it.Good luck.
can i use this strat in limit?SW

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Posted 15 August 2005 - 12:14 AM

I think what smash is saying is until you have some concrete evidence (and this man talks in the 10'000's of hands) dont berate a strategy that has been prover to have worked consistently.

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Posted 15 August 2005 - 12:14 AM

Yo Smash, My post was my opinion on the matter and i don't really understand why you feel the need to berate me in such a way. In the games i play in, a guy using your strategy would be crushed. This is not to say that it would not work in some games against some opponents, however if you come across someone who is actually paying attention, your in big trouble. To those of you who say it has been working for half an hour, excellant, tell me how it works after 10k hands will you? Players will make a note on you after the 3rd time you do it, and then your action will dry up. You say do not overestimate your opponents, i say do not underestimate them.If making money at poker was as easy as you describe, then everyone should quit their jobs right now, and start your no set no bet strategy.Once again, just my 2 cents

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Posted 15 August 2005 - 12:15 AM

[quote name='"Batch"][quote=checkymcfold][quote=Batch]once again smash.What is the strat?[/quote]it's basically this: go all in every time you know you have a monster advantage. what you do to get that monster advantage is up to you. the very simple way smash advocates is to limp PPs and suited aces and push the flop if they flop a set or flush. sooooper easy. if you want to get fancy' date=' play some hands that make the nut straight, too. but not too many, or you'll look like you're getting too trixy and smash will make fun of you.[/quote']what do i do with aa or kk preflop.ALL IN??Limp?[/quote]ROFLMFAO! AA or KK pf? What position are you in? What are the stack sizes? How is your table playing?NL holdem is a game of skill which requires much more than a set of pf starting hands and a fold/all in mentality post flop. Can you make money doing this? Sure. Can you maximize your potential gains by doing this? Hell no. Is there ever a good time to chase that draw? Sure there is, although some on here may suggest that only fish chase. Knowing when to fold, when to call, and when to raise your draws is an essential ingredient in the make up of a successful NL player. Don't be so close minded as to think NL is a simple game anyone can win at. It takes much more discipline and skill than some on here would lead you to believe.
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Posted 15 August 2005 - 12:20 AM

I never play NL cash games, but I gave this a try tonight.I had AA and with 4 limpers of 50 cents each, I went all in with my 50 bucks. Everyone folded and laughed at me.I did win $2.75 though

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Posted 15 August 2005 - 12:21 AM

Don't be so close minded as to think NL is a simple game anyone can win at. It takes much more discipline and skill than some on here would lead you to believe.Yeah, it doesn't.This strategy very likely has a higher win rate than you do.Sorry for the blow to your ego.Good luck.
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Posted 15 August 2005 - 12:25 AM

The main problem I see with this strategy is you are jeopardizing more money then you need to...Granted, at such low limits, if you put in an over sized bet it would probably almost commit you to the hand if called, but if youre doing well for yourself, there is no reason to put all your winnings on the table in jeopardy by going all in preflop only to get sucked out...put in an over raise and see a flop....flop looks good either push or overbet it again maybe....it's nice to have an option to get out of a hand....When you hold pockets 2's and flop a set of 2's on the flop, then push in...you're generally only going to get a call if your beat, and it will probably be a higher set.....To each their own though, I would just think your action would dry up pretty quick at a table using this as well, and I've seen it firsthand....I would definetly use this strategy when coming into a table early, and use it to build up a nice stack...after that, there's no reason to gamble away my money pre-flop because I have AA's that I lose with over 40 percent online anyways-P.

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Posted 15 August 2005 - 12:27 AM

Sorry for the blow to your egoNo need to apologize, I have no ego. And if I did, nothing you say could deliver a blow to it. But thanks for educating the younguns on NL, I certainly appreciate the business. :club:
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Posted 15 August 2005 - 12:39 AM

well said lboarts. I share your thoughts buddy.

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Posted 15 August 2005 - 12:41 AM

I sure wish the people I was just playing with played by this strategy.A couple of hands after my AA hand, I get KK and push all in with my $52.75 and get called by AQs. Ace on the flop and I'm broke. :cry:




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