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[justblaze]

Party Poker 5/10 Hold'em (9 handed) converterboth villains are laggy, ~35/15/1.5, play poorly on the flop. Preflop: Hero is SB with [Qs], [Ac]. 1 fold, UTG+1 folds, MP2 calls.Flop: (11 SB) [6d], [Qd], [Ts] (3 players)Hero checks, MP2 checks, MP3 bets, MP2 folds, MP3 calls.Turn: (7.50 BB) [7s] (2 players)Hero bets, MP3 calls.River: (9.50 BB) [4h] (2 players)Hero bets, MP3 calls.Final Pot: 11.50 BB

[DCSports92GSR]

Im probably going to get ragged on again, but I'm not calling 2.5 bets cold pre-flop OOP with AQo

[justblaze]

DCSports92GSR said:

Im probably going to get ragged on again, but I'm not calling 2.5 bets cold pre-flop OOP with AQo

no, thats exactly what i was looking for feedback on. Against normal opponents they're sailing into the muck, but both these guys were laggy morons. Do we have enough equity here to coldcall is the real question. smash, wrto?

[WaitingforMyRuca]

I kind of agree with not calling that preflop raise in poor position with AQo, unless I feel I a very good idea of there holdings and feel that I am against weak opposition. Other than that I'd say post flop I like the play. Maybe I'll get ripped on for wanting to fold my AQo in this position but I really don't think folding it here is a horrible play.

[KDawgCometh]

DCSports92GSR said:

Im probably going to get ragged on again, but I'm not calling 2.5 bets cold pre-flop OOP with AQo

normally, no, I wouldn't call this at all, but their range of hands and PFR%'s are very high, if this was suited I'd seriously consider a cap PF. I like the PF play and I like the rest of the hand

[BeanGW]

KDawgCometh said:

normally, no, I wouldn't call this at all, but their range of hands and PFR%'s are very high, if this was suited I'd seriously consider a cap PF. I like the PF play and I like the rest of the hand

[justblaze]

KDawgCometh said:

DCSports92GSR said:

Im probably going to get ragged on again, but I'm not calling 2.5 bets cold pre-flop OOP with AQo

normally, no, I wouldn't call this at all, but their range of hands and PFR%'s are very high, if this was suited I'd seriously consider a cap PF. I like the PF play and I like the rest of the hand

oops, forgot to call out your advice as well. thanx for the input. whats the deal with all my posts being moved to this forum instead of strat?

[looshle]

this is stat, its holde em strat.

[Egarim]

Everything looks fine. The only questionable play is preflop. If you know for sure the 3bettor doesn't have a better hand than aqos then that can justify the call. Otherwise, vs 3 opponents aqos doesn't play very well. If they're as laggy as u say they'll chase any draws that they have and they'll be priced in with the 3bets preflop. Think about the ways you're going to win this pot with aqos.Hit top 2 pair and don't get outdrawn.Hit top pair queens and hold up.Hit ace and hold up.Trips.If i knew these lag's were raising and 3 betting with hands like j9os and stuff... then I would definitely come on... otherwise.. it's a tough decision. Being out of position vs lags with aqos in a 4way pot that was 3bet preflop isn't enviable.

[justblaze]

Egarim said:

Everything looks fine. The only questionable play is preflop. If you know for sure the 3bettor doesn't have a better hand than aqos then that can justify the call. Otherwise, vs 3 opponents aqos doesn't play very well. If they're as laggy as u say they'll chase any draws that they have and they'll be priced in with the 3bets preflop.  Think about the ways you're going to win this pot with aqos.Hit top 2 pair and don't get outdrawn.Hit top pair queens and hold up.Hit ace and hold up.Trips.If i knew these lag's were raising and 3 betting with hands like j9os and stuff... then I would definitely come on... otherwise.. it's a tough decision. Being out of position vs lags with aqos in a 4way pot that was 3bet preflop isn't enviable.

ok man, you need to stop giving 'advice' till you have a clue what you are talking about. you dont need to know for sure that the 3 bettor doesnt have a better hand than AQo, you need to know on a balance of probabilities that you arent dominated by the threebettor. AQo plays fine against 3 opponents. :roll:

[Egarim]

Ok... Gj answering ur own question. U obviously know what ur talking about and have all the answers to this problemNext time, don't post a hand in which u already know what the right play is.

[screech]

I don't really like the call PF. I would call (or even better, 3-bet) one raise from one of these villians, but I'm folding here to a 3-bet without any other reads.Just because their PFR% is 15, doesn't mean they 3-bet with a range of hands that will allow you to call with AQo. That being said, if you have seen them 3-bet with some questionable hands, I like this play.

[wrto4556]

perfect

[justblaze]

Egarim said:

Ok... Gj answering ur own question. U obviously know what ur talking about and have all the answers to this problemNext time, don't post a hand in which u already know what the right play is.

You didnt answer the question at all, man, you danced right around it. the question is does AQo have enough equity against opponents with these stats to call 2.5 sb cold OOP. Where in your answer did you address that?

[jayboogie]

Looks great to me, against typical opponents, this is an easy fold pre-flop, but given your opponent's previous actions, I think the pf play is fine.

[KDawgCometh]

screech said:

Just because their PFR% is 15, doesn't mean they 3-bet with a range of hands that will allow you to call with AQo.

it does when they play 35% of their hands