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[Orion071]

The BB in this hand called me a fish, but I'm pretty sure I played it correctly. I don't have the hand history, but I can remember it pretty well. This was a 2/4 table on Party (9 handed)...Orion is SB with 6 6 Pre-flop: 2 folds, MP1 calls, MP2 raises, MP3 calls, 2 folds, Orion calls, BB 3-bets, MP1 calls, MP2 caps, MP3 calls, Orion calls, BB calls, MP1 calls.I don't mind being in a capped hand pf as long as there's 5 people in it.Flop: 2 5 7 Orion checks, BB bets, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, Orion calls.I have to call 1 bet in a pot this large, right?Turn: 3 Orion checks, BB bets, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, MP3 folds, Orion calls.Now I have a gutshot to go with my pair, so I'm still priced in, right?River: 6 Orion checks, BB bets, MP1 folds, MP2 folds, Orion raises, BB calls.Final Pot ~20 BB

[Rocketwadster]

Did you ever consider raising at any time, to try to whittle the field down a bit? The more players in the pot, the better the chances that someone with overcards will catch and beat you. Raise teh flop IMO 8)

[Orion071]

I figured that with 5 people in a capped pot, someone already had a higher pp than me and I was only in the hand to catch a set. A raise on the flop or turn wasn't going to knock out a guy holding KK or AA. I didn't want to whittle the field down because I'm not winning this hand with 2 6's and they're giving me the price to chase another 6.

[Rocketwadster]

Orion071 said:

I figured that with 5 people in a capped pot, someone already had a higher pp than me and I was only in the hand to catch a set.  A raise on the flop or turn wasn't going to knock out a guy holding KK or AA.  I didn't want to whittle the field down because I'm not winning this hand with 2 6's and they're giving me the price to chase another 6.

while that is certainly one way to look at it, it is not necessarily the best way to look at it IMO. If those guys DO have the overpairs as you are suggesting and are not going to fold to a raise, you are going to get the exact same odds as calling it down like you did, but with the added benefit of winning a much larger pot if you do hit. I certainly wouldn't call a capped turn and river all the way with the 6's myself, but I definately would have raised the pot on the flop i think and worked it out from there. I don't think you played it like a fish FWIW.nice pot 8)

[Orion071]

I'm not saying everyone has an overpair, but at least 1 person probably does. If I raise that flop, and the BB 3-bets it, blowing everyone else out of the pot, then suddenly I'm heads-up against a guy who I know has me beat and I'm chasing 2 outs. Not only that, but I've put 3 bets in when I could have gotten away with only 1. I don't see how that's the same odds as the way I played it. If I was sure that everyone would stay in no matter what, then maybe, but I don't think that even Party is that crazy at the 2/4 level...

[Rocketwadster]

Orion071 said:

I'm not saying everyone has an overpair, but at least 1 person probably does. If I raise that flop, and the BB 3-bets it, blowing everyone else out of the pot, then suddenly I'm heads-up against a guy who I know has me beat and I'm chasing 2 outs. Not only that, but I've put 3 bets in when I could have gotten away with only 1. I don't see how that's the same odds as the way I played it. If I was sure that everyone would stay in no matter what, then maybe, but I don't think that even Party is that crazy at the 2/4 level...

I thought that is what you were saying - that if you raised the higher pocket pairs would be calling anyhow...my second point stands though 8)

[greatwhite]

I think the BB is a fish and was just pissed off, because he found out he could lose with aces. 66 is not the best hand. Why would you isolate? To have someone with a better hand call you down? I don't think you could of played the hand any differently. Plus I like that check/raise on the river. It gives everyone else a chance to call if the BB bets. :-)

[mcguire2417]

You are not getting the same odds for extra bets as the odds you have on the first bet on the flop.For bet 1 on the flop, you are getting 20:1 by the time it comes to you to call. If you raise here and assume everyone comes along, you are getting 14:1...not enough to chase your 22:1 shot. Once you turn the gut shot to go with your 2 outs, you will be priced in no matter what. So, IMO, no raise here...you are just getting enough by calling to keep playing this.Mac