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[TheMathProf]

PokerStars 0.25/0.50 Hold'em (9 handed) converterPreflop: Hero is MP3 with [Ad], [Ts]. UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, 1 fold, MP2 calls, Hero calls, CO calls, Button calls, SB completes, BB checks.Flop: (8 SB) [Ks], [6d], [9s] (8 players)SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, UTG+1 checks, MP2 checks, Hero checks, CO checks, Button checks.Turn: (4 BB) [Th] (8 players)SB checks, BB checks, UTG bets

[Kendren]

You didn't raise preflop because......?????This completed alot of 2 card draws, I think call.

[looshle]

Kendren said:

You didn't raise preflop because......?????This completed alot of 2 card draws, I think call.

I'd fold it.

[TheMathProf]

I've had some pretty bad experience raising with ATo, even after 3 limpers.My problem is that I feel too compelled to bet out on the flop regardless when I raise pre-flop. I've been getting better about that, but until I've got it more under control, ATo is going to remain a hand that gets limped on my part.The preflop play is not really what I'm concerned with here. I'm more concerned that I do have five people to act after me.

[TheMathProf]

So, is this a fold situation or a call situation?Is there an argument to raise?

[econ_tim]

I actually think you're ahead here a good proportion of the time. If it gets checked around the flop, then people often bet their second third or pocket pair on the turn.Raising would be good if it knocks out SB and BB on draws that beat you, but there are already a lot of players in.Raising might also get you a free showdown, which would be nice, and you could get an extra bet when you improve to two pair.I'm can't decide yet between raise and call. Do you know if UTG+1 and MP2 are players who will fast play their made hands? If so, definitely raise.

[creepy20]

fold this turn. Somebody asked why you didn't raise this hand preflop...I don't know if they were being sarcastic or not but I think raising A10 offsuit here is not a good move...now if it was suited..I'd put in a raise, offsuit..i'm folding preflop.

[greatwhite]

Preflop-call, ATos is not a good hand in a multiway pot and you will probablly not knock out too many preflop. However, you should call.Flop- Check obviouslyTurn- Fold- You have 5 outs and are getting $3.50-$.50 on your on money or 7-1 when you are getting 41-5 or 10.2-1 to improve. I couldn't really accept implied odds here, because none of your outs are sure and you may be drawing dead already. :-)

[TheMathProf]

UTG did strike me as the kind of guy who might try to make a move at a pot if no one's interested, but it wasn't really a solid read. I had a read on the CO that he was a maniac, but it was several months old from the .05/.10 tables, and it didn't seem to be holding true at this table so far (only about 25 hands in). So many players in the pot, and I really didn't have a good read on many of them.I guess my question about the turn fold recommended by so many is, what hands am I afraid of?* Am I afraid of a king? Maybe with a weak kicker, but so many people at this limit bet out their top pair with even a deuce kicker. I'm just not sure that I'm really up against a king here.* Am I afraid of a straight? The only two made straights are somebody with a 7,8 and somebody with a J,Q. Frankly, I'm more worried about the Q and the J. The table seems a bit loose: wouldn't someone have bet the OESD with the 7 and the 8 on the flop? Maybe not, I guess.* Am I afraid of two pair? I guess the thinking is that someone's got to have it?* Is it more that I don't know that there are so many dangerous river cards out there?My thinking is that I might very well be ahead in this hand. If I'm behind the straight, though, I'm drawing completely dead. Is it really out there? If I'm behind two pair, I'm pretty sure I've got 5 clean outs (the other two tens and one of three aces, which don't complete any new straight draws). I suppose I should discount it some in case the ten made his second pair, in which case I've only got 3 outs.I guess I see a lot of advocating for aggression in situations that seem substantially weaker than my current holding in this hand, but don't completely see the difference and why so many people are advocating the fold.Thanks for all the replies and your patience.

[PROpOKER_101]

greatwhite said:

Preflop-call, ATos is not a good hand in a multiway pot and you will probablly not knock out too many preflop. However, you should call.

wrong again all u noobs preflop is a clear raise if you are uncomfortable playing ATo for a raise then you should be folding not calling