kjo, bet the turn with outs?

[KDawgCometh 2]

Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (10 handed) converterPreflop: Hero is CO with K:club:, J:spade:. 3 folds, BB checks.Flop: (4.50 SB) J:club:, A:diamond:, 4:club: (4 players)BB bets, MP1 calls, MP3 calls, Hero calls.Turn: (4.25 BB) 9:club: (4 players)BB checks, MP1 checks, MP3 checks, Hero betsyes? no? no real reads as I was table hoping, but this was your typical 2/4 BBJ table from what little I saw

[econ_tim 0]

I think you check here. You would hate getting check/raised, your hand is unlikely to be best at the moment, and there is zero chance it gets folded around.By checking you can make a strong hand (and maybe get an extra bet on the river) or show down your hand for one bet.

[JesseW316 0]

I am checking here every day and twice on Sunday. Free card, dude!

[bdc30 0]

If you are going to play this preflop from the cutoffI would raise, trying to drive out any A-x garbage.Since you didn't, I would fold on the flop with a betand several cold callers.The backdoor flush draw on the turn helps, and I don't mind the bet there, but I still think you'll need help to take it down.What's your line if someone check/raises the turn?

[mjd 0]

Take the free card. Don't go crazy if the fourth club falls.Party 2/4 players love their aces and with 3 players left, you're going to get called-down...or maybe raised.

[HtotheNootch 0]

This is a good question actually. I think it's close.Let's see what we're probably against:1) A weak A;2) Another J - probably one we have beat; and3) Some sort of gutshot.What else is possible but less likely:1) A made flush who is trying to check raise (this one's bad); and2) Another pair other than As or Js .Is there any chance someone folds/slows down? Yes. There's one thing that even low limit players usually notice/worry about - flushes. So there is some fold equity.Let's assume another J is an out. So that leaves us with 11 outs out of 46 unseen cards. A little more than 4 to 1. If we're not in fear of a check-raise, we're in good shape if we get more money in the pot. Since I'm trying to be more aggressive these days, I'm probably betting it, but I don't see a big problem with taking the freebie. The check-raise is the only real fear.

[Lavitz 0]

If anyone has the ace of clubs I dont see why they're checking the turn. You've got a lot of outs here, but I'd still check, you dont want to risk a reraise. I think if the flush does hit, it's probably good.

[amarillotg 0]

im betting! im trying to get anyone holding Ax out of the pot. betting might:1) take the pot down right now2) buy you a free show down3) get a better hand to foldand will give you valuable information about your opponents hands.

[bdc30 0]

im betting!  im trying to get anyone holding Ax out of the pot.  betting might:1) take the pot down right nowI would say the chance of this happening are about ZERO with  two cold callers to the flop bet.  Somebody's calling.2) buy you a free show downThat is about the best thing a bet could accomplish3) get a better hand to foldNobody with an ace, even a ragged one, is folding to a  single BB here, it's 2-4 limit, not 50-100, consider who  you are up against...and will give you valuable information about your opponents hands.

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[wrto4556 0]

raise preflop, chump.

[amarillotg 0]

im betting! im trying to get anyone holding Ax out of the pot. betting might:1) take the pot down right nowI would say the chance of this happening are about ZERO with two cold callers to the flop bet. Somebody's calling.2) buy you a free show downThat is about the best thing a bet could accomplish3) get a better hand to foldNobody with an ace, even a ragged one, is folding to a single BB here, it's 2-4 limit, not 50-100, consider who you are up against...and will give you valuable information about your opponents hands.

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i play 2/4 and i see alot of people who will call a flop bet only to fold to the turn. there are 2 callers, not cold callers on the flop as there was no raise. think about the river, by checking here your completely in the dark on what your opponents have.

[wrto4556 0]

turn = check