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[KDawgCometh]

Party Poker Hold'em (10 handed) converterPreflop: Hero is MP3 with Q:diamond:, Q:heart:. UTG raises, UTG calls, MP2 calls.Flop: (10.50 SB) 5:heart:, 9:diamond:, 9:club: (3 players)UTG checks, MP2 checks, Hero bets, UTG calls.Turn: (8.25 BB) J:heart: (2 players)UTG checks, Hero bets, UTG calls.River: (10.25 BB) K:spade: (2 players)UTG checks, Hero checks.Final Pot: 10.25 BBokay, this hand is from the 2+2 table that happened last night, when entity made the origianl post for playing he was clear that he wanted it to be a serious table, and that is what happened. THe villian in this hand is BarronZeus, and he was playing very tricky. So the question here really is, should I have waited until the turn to raise him, and was the river check solid

[econ_tim]

I like waiting for the turn to raise, except if he's tricky you can't be sure he'll bet.So 3-betting the flop is OK.Had he been raising strange things from EP? I doubt he has KK, but AK and KQ are possibilities.I don't like checking the river. If you play as aggressively at the 2+2 table as you do elsewhere, then he could call with A-high. But I guess he could also bluff-raise. Still, I think bet/calling is best.

[justblaze]

i check-call river. im not a fan of slowplaying overpairs on paired boards, either.

[wrto4556]

id have waited for the turn.river check seems kind of weak to me. He pays off TT-66.

[KDawgCometh]

wrto4556 said:

id have waited for the turn.river check seems kind of weak to me. He pays off TT-66.

yeah, but his flop CR kinda screamed, I have a big ace what do you have.

[wrto4556]

nah. After someone already cold-called and you 3-bet, i would assume he thinks you can beat AQ.His flop check/raise is a small to medium pair that he is trying to protect and get heads up. This flop is great for medium pairs.If he had a big ace, he played it horribly.

[KDawgCometh]

wrto4556 said:

nah. After someone already cold-called and you 3-bet, i would assume he thinks you can beat AQ.His flop check/raise is a small to medium pair that he is trying to protect and get heads up. This flop is great for medium pairs.If he had a big ace, he played it horribly.

well, sort of, since the game had been so tight, opening ranges were pretty wide, and three betting ranges PF were outside what would be a normal range too, I could easily have three bet with a hand that was much weaker then what I really had

[screech]

I think he either has a hand like KQ, or a pp JJ-88. He may also have something like KJs. I really don't see him playing AKo like this, and definelty not AKs. On the flop, any of the above PPs make sense (99 and 88 more so), so does KQs (one of the suits on the board) and, to a lesser extent, KQ.On the turn, he could be calling with close to the nuts (planning to raise the river), he could have picked up some kind of draw (KQ, KhJh, etc), or he could have decided to just call you down with 88/TT.On the river, the only hands that you are really ahead of are 88 and TT. If he was on a draw, he might have missed, but he may have also hit his king. If he had close to the nuts, he will raise, and since he is a tricky player, you will probably have to call. I like the check on the river, because a river here is likely, and really sucks. I don't think he's calling here with a worse hand more than 50% of the time. As for 3-betting the flop, I would have waited for the turn if he usually takes the lead on the turn after putting in the last bet on the flop. If he doesn't, 3-bet the flop is good. If he does, waiting for the turn will allow you to better assess your winning chances. You will win more as a favorite, and lose less as a dog.

[wrto4556]

JJ caps preflop. AK caps preflop.KQ and others do not check/raise this flop.he has a small pair.