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[JacKingOff_suit]

It's from yesterady, PLO8 $400 9-handed, there were about 4-5 solid strong players, 2 good players, 2-3 not-so-good players.The following hand I was at the CO with A 5 99.Preflop:UTG limped, MP1 limped, my immediate right limped, I limped, SB completed, & BB checked.Both UTG and my immediate right were solid players, MP1 & SB were weak. BB was ok.Sometimes I would raise my hand at the CO, but with two solid players ahead of me, I decided to just call.Flop (pot-size: $24): 2 3:diamond: 4 Before I got too happy, the chips were flying.UTG the shark potted it.MP1 Mr nemo called.My immediate right the crocodile repotted.My decision time... I thought and thought... I finally mucked my hands...with tears.Would you have called, raised, or folded? Why?I will tell you why I folded on the flop below in white (highlight it in case you can't read it), but I'd like to hear different options (like is it mathematically correct to fold, etc). I folded because 1. I didn't commit much pre-flop.2. For my immediate right, he's either having A5, 56, even A56 so he didn't want any flush draws on the flop, or he's got some huge draws like 44A 6 in order for him to repot UTG.3. For Mr Nemo, since he only called UTG, I put him on a flush draw, a set. I couldn't put him on A5 or 56, he could had reraised it with those hands.4. For UTG, he could be bluffing, but more likely he's got A5 or 56 and he didn't want to slowplay this flop.5. I didn't know what SB and BB would do next.6. All-in-all, it's very likely someone else was also holding A5 for the low, and my high end couldn't stand a chance for 56, flush draws, or boat draws. I haven't committed to the pot so I folded.7. One thing I wasn't sure though is if it's mathematically correct to fold?The result was secoundary as long as the decision was correct, but I would post the result if there is enough interest.Now when I rethink about it, it should be an easy fold. But I still like to hear different opinions.

[Blink20]

I think this is the easiest fold ever :-)Seriously, you are absolutly going to be splitting the low.You have no chance at a high. Getting all your money in to only get 1/4 of the pot is no good ( maybe even less than 1/4)I can't see anyone advocating staying in this hand.

[JacKingOff_suit]

Don't forget, I am a loose aggressive player who gave actions. It's against my nature to fold the made low

[Blink20]

JacKingOff_suit said:

Don't forget, I am a loose aggressive player who gave actions. It's against my nature to fold the made low

LOL, this would def be a huge negative EV play, you CANNOT win the high, as you know.The right fold, whether you are an action player or not.

[Tabulus]

I fold this.You are playing for half the pot with no countefit protection and are likely already quartered.

[Blink20]

Tabulus said:

I fold this.You are playing for half the pot with no countefit protection and are likely already quartered.

Counterfeit protection has nothing to do with this hand ;-) He's getting part of the low no matter what.But yeah, he is going to atleast get quartered.

[Tabulus]

Counterfeit protection has nothing to do with this hand He's getting part of the low no matter what. But yeah, he is going to atleast get quartered.You are totally correct, I read the hand wrong. In related news I am also retarded.

[Smasharoo]

Don't put another penny in this pot against A5d and whatever the other donkeys have.I didn't read the results, but if uhwg or something, it doesn't matter. You want to play these games as the guy with A5d, not the guy with the wheel and no real redraws on the flop.BE the guy freerolling for the 3/4. Don't be the guy wondering how $100 turned into $25 when he flopped a wheel.

[AceyDeucy]

But I would lay this down preflop, and this hand shows you why.Even when the flop clobbers you over the head (granted K99 would have been better, but talk about an action-killer.), you can't take action. You are completely correct to fold here, unless you think at least four other players are married to the pot and a 1/4 is profitable. A599 leaves you playing for half a big pot with a small hand vulnerable to quartering, or playing a small pot with a stupidly huge hand. In essence, your only useful draw is your flush draw, since the A5 low is unlikely to be good. Even as positional as this game is, being in the CO does not make this playable, IMHO.

[JacKingOff_suit]

thanks for all the input guys, I appreciate it.Now Smash, please comment on my LHE plays, sorry I've been buggig you, thanks man.http://www.fullconta...pic.php?t=24137

[Rocketwadster]

I am not sure why you got involved with that hand in the first place. But, you made your bed and now you have to lie in it:You have $400. Lets say that four of you get all your money in the pot (you can only win what you have from them), so that is $1600. If you win half the pot, you win $800. If you win a quarter, you win $400. Break even.If only three people get $400 in though, you win $600 for half, $300 for a quarter.If five people get in, half the pot wins you $1000, a quarter wins you $500.Could you scoop the pot - yes, but is it likely...not really IMO. For your opponents to get all their (yours) money in the pot, you would think that they have to have something at least halfway decent. Such as, the nut-flush draw, a higher straight already, the same straight you do but possibly a higher one to come, the same straight but with the flush possibility, etc. Your best case realistic scenario is to have 3, 4, or 5 people in the pot, with you only getting 1/4 of it, meaning you will break even, lose $100, or win $100 (hmmm, would that not be a break even scenario then?). :? I fold. 8)