raise from the button, 2 cold back to me (5 handed)

[WestcoastCanuck 0]

First hand posted in strategy. I've been playing shorthanded exclusively, just trying to patch any leaks.Reads: SB is very tight (haven't seen 3 bet once), BB is a maniac (I've played with him for hours, he has capped any hand that is 3 bet into him).Hold'em (4 handed) converterPreflop: Hero is Button with [Tc], [Ac]. UTG calls, Hero raises, UTG calls, Hero calls, SB calls.Flop: (16 SB) [7c], [4h], [9d] (4 players)SB bets, BB calls, UTG calls, Hero....Pot to big to fold?

[Kent 0]

Sadly, yes. The pot is too big to fold. You are getting 19/1, and you have at least 4 outs. (2.5 for backdoor flush and straight draws, 1.5 for possibly tainted Aces.) I doubt your tens are outs, but you can throw another 1 in there for them, making 5 outs.Call and reevaluate on the turn. If nothing hits, fold it.

[BetItAll33 0]

The pot is big, but it's not inconceivable that you're drawing to 1 or 2 effective outs. If you figure the SB for an over pair, and account for the fact that either the BB or UTG could have you dominated, you're in a pretty bad spot. That said, I probably peel one off here looking for a club, an eight, or an ace to keep me in the hand. The fact that you are closing the action is big here.I almost never play short handed, so take this with a grain of salt.

[WestcoastCanuck 0]

Forgot to give reads on UTG. He raises his good starting hands but plays any hand. I am not to worried about him or the BB dominiating me. Obviously the SB is ahead of me at this point.

[BetItAll33 0]

Forgot to give reads on UTG. He raises his good starting hands but plays any hand. I am not to worried about him or the BB dominiating me. Obviously the SB is ahead of me at this point.

Given the reads, this is an easier call. Getting 19 to 1, we only need to find a couple of outs, and I think Kent found them for you.

[WestcoastCanuck 0]

Yeah the more I think about it the more obvious the call is. I geuss I was just looking for reassurance. My new question is what if the turn delivers a brick, the SB bets and the other two fold?

[Kent 0]

Yeah the more I think about it the more obvious the call is. I geuss I was just looking for reassurance. My new question is what if the turn delivers a brick, the SB bets and the other two fold?

If the turn bricks, you have to fold. your backdoor draws have evaporated, and you are looking at a man representing at least an overpair, maybe even trips. even if he only has Ace-high, his Ace-high will almost certainly beat yours. There is no reason to stay in if you don't get some help on the turn.

[WestcoastCanuck 0]

If the turn bricks, you have to fold. your backdoor draws have evaporated, and you are looking at a man representing at least an overpair, maybe even trips. even if he only has Ace-high, his Ace-high will almost certainly beat yours. There is no reason to stay in if you don't get some help on the turn.

Seems about right. What if, on the turn:A ten comes and it is bet into me. Do I just call?An ace comes and is bet into me. Do I just call?Sorry to drag this thread out, I am just trying to get a handle on playing big big pots when I am obviously behind.

[wrto4556 0]

i would call in both cases, munro.

[WestcoastCanuck 0]

i would call in both cases, munro.

What about the River (assuming it doesn't help me)? I'm geussing still call down? The pot is to big to give it up to one tiny little bet right?

[checkymcfold 0]

if the SB is really tight, and probably won't 3-bet a raise (unless he's got a monster, in which case i'd advocate a raise/fold to 3-bet), why not raise here and see a free river? you're going to be calling this flop, and if you get some help on the turn, you're going to be seeing a river anyway, so why not make it cheaper for yourself?i'd say to do the above _only_ if you think there's a chance of the callers folding and giving you a better chance to win this thing (quite likely at some limits) if something like your ten hits. otherwise, call as others suggest. of course, i'm sure people won't read this part and think that i mean you should raise always. i don't mean that.

[WestcoastCanuck 0]

if the SB is really tight, and probably won't 3-bet a raise (unless he's got a monster, in which case i'd advocate a raise/fold to 3-bet), why not raise here and see a free river? you're going to be calling this flop, and if you get some help on the turn, you're going to be seeing a river anyway, so why not make it cheaper for yourself?i'd say to do the above _only_ if you think there's a chance of the callers folding and giving you a better chance to win this thing (quite likely at some limits) if something like your ten hits. otherwise, call as others suggest. of course, i'm sure people won't read this part and think that i mean you should raise always. i don't mean that.

If I raise a 10 on the turn and he has an overpair, I just cost myelf two more bets. If he has a hand like Aj to AK, he might fold, costing me one bet when/if he bets the river again.Similar logic if an Ace comes on the turn. If he has an overpair and I raise him, he may fold, costing me one bet he might spend on the river. If he has a stronger Ace (or AA) he 3 bets me.I geuss I just answered my own question.