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[LIPOKERPACK]

If that would happen to me, i would lose.

[looshle]

Welcome to online poker.

[Matt Miner]

looshle said:

Welcome to online poker.

yep. it's rigged. :roll:

[looshle]

I never said any poker site is rigged, but there is no poker site which I have played at, whose card system is indeed random. I saw four of a kind 5 times yesterday. It's extremely difficult to create a program based off of randomness because programs run how they are told to. It's hard to tell something to be random.

[megacake]

looshle said:

It's extremely difficult to create a program based off of randomness because programs run how they are told to. It's hard to tell something to be random .

Just like it's hard for a drawing out of a hat to be completely random, or even a shuffling of the cards? I mean, if you start out with a 7 of spades on the bottom, cut and shuffle, cut and shuffle, cut and shuffle, that 7 of spades has moved up at most...10 cards? Hardly anybody ever cuts the top 42 cards, so it's almost a gurantee that 7 spades will never hit the top of the deck on the deal. Probably 1 out of 300 or 400 deals. Now in an internet game, that 7 spades is the first dealt 1 out of 52.All i'm saying is is that these online sites have more random deals than a home game. And are equal to a 'real' game in their randomness.

[jayistheman]

looshle said:

I never said any poker site is rigged, but there is no poker site which I have played at, whose card system is indeed random. I saw four of a kind 5 times yesterday. It's extremely difficult to create a program based off of randomness because programs run how they are told to. It's hard to tell something to be random.

thats why you send it a seed. some natural external piece of information that is random

[serge]

I never said any poker site is rigged, but there is no poker site which I have played at, whose card system is indeed random. I saw four of a kind 5 times yesterday. It's extremely difficult to create a program based off of randomness because programs run how they are told to. It's hard to tell something to be random.

do you still feel this way?

[myenemy]

I think PS is rigged..... and I still play there. Call me a pessimist but there is just too much money for someone not to be cheating the system.

[Gallo]

do you still feel this way?

[herly33]

I never said any poker site is rigged, but there is no poker site which I have played at, whose card system is indeed random. I saw four of a kind 5 times yesterday. It's extremely difficult to create a program based off of randomness because programs run how they are told to. It's hard to tell something to be random.

This is one of the most debated topics of online poker. I agree that it is truly not random. I have seen way to many setup hands along with action flops for me to say it is completely random. In live poker hitting 2 pairs on the flop usually makes me feel fairly certain my hand will hold. But on Pokerstars its a sign of bad things to come.

[HighwayStar]

I think PS is rigged..... and I still play there. Call me a pessimist but there is just too much money for someone not to be cheating the system.

who do you think is cheating the system...

a pokerstars employee?
a player?

[outsider13]

This is one of the most debated topics of online poker. I agree that it is truly not random. I have seen way to many setup hands along with action flops for me to say it is completely random. In live poker hitting 2 pairs on the flop usually makes me feel fairly certain my hand will hold. But on Pokerstars its a sign of bad things to come.

Yup! You sir are bang on. Pokerstars is indeed rigged.

[Suited_Up]

lol

[MaxStPolish]

pretty epic herly.

and btw one of the best bumps ive seen on here.

[tbrick412]

I love how everyone is playfully mocking looshle, then herly just agrees with him, pretty awesome.

[herly33]

Eventually I believe online poker will be regulated. A law just passed stating that Pokerstars will have no clearance to deal with U.S. players once it is regulated. The new poker sites for example one run by Harrah's with help from Electronic Arts. Hopefully we will be able to choose which RNG is implented. The problem now is no one is in charge of making sure these RNG's are completely legit.

Pokerstars was audited by Cigital a few years back. Problem with this audit they were only allowed to test the software's shuffle, not the entire hand played out. So that in itself should make players question the validity of a true and random RNG throughout the entire course of the hand being dealt.


Everyone is entitled to there own opinion, I just believe that when the U.S. goverment finallly regulates online poker, then we will see if the conspiracy theorists are full of shit or not.

[CorvairShaggy]

Eventually I believe online poker will be regulated. A law just passed stating that Pokerstars will have no clearance to deal with U.S. players once it is regulated. The new poker sites for example one run by Harrah's with help from Electronic Arts. Hopefully we will be able to choose which RNG is implented. The problem now is no one is in charge of making sure these RNG's are completely legit.

Pokerstars was audited by Cigital a few years back. Problem with this audit they were only allowed to test the software's shuffle, not the entire hand played out. So that in itself should make players question the validity of a true and random RNG throughout the entire course of the hand being dealt.


Everyone is entitled to there own opinion, I just believe that when the U.S. goverment finallly regulates online poker, then we will see if the conspiracy theorists are full of shit or not.

OK, here is my question. Why would PS or any other site want to rig hands? Furthermore, do you know the type of processing power it would take (let alone the software) to make sure that 200k+ players get rigged at optimal times, so that other players can benefit, then 10 minutes later hands are rigged so the ones that just benefited now get ****ed?? I mean, I can understand being worried about hackers, inside programmers, etc. for a select few, but this whole rigged thing is nuts. The program that is the random generator cannot 100% emulate a real live deck. Shit happens when the software is trying to generate 23k+ hands every 1.x seconds (or whatever here). SHIT HAPPENS. Everyone who plays any volume of online poker has benefited and been ****ed by this. If you don't like it, go play blackjack at sportsbook and then try whining about pokerstars being rigged. I guarantee you, go run $1k playing $5 hands of blackjack there, and you will be coming back praising online poker for their excellence in software programming.

[HighwayStar]

OK, here is my question. Why would PS or any other site want to rig hands? Furthermore, do you know the type of processing power it would take (let alone the software) to make sure that 200k+ players get rigged at optimal times, so that other players can benefit, then 10 minutes later hands are rigged so the ones that just benefited now get ****ed?? I mean, I can understand being worried about hackers, inside programmers, etc. for a select few, but this whole rigged thing is nuts. The program that is the random generator cannot 100% emulate a real live deck. Shit happens when the software is trying to generate 23k+ hands every 1.x seconds (or whatever here). SHIT HAPPENS. Everyone who plays any volume of online poker has benefited and been ****ed by this. If you don't like it, go play blackjack at sportsbook and then try whining about pokerstars being rigged. I guarantee you, go run $1k playing $5 hands of blackjack there, and you will be coming back praising online poker for their excellence in software programming.

this makes way too much sense. gtfo

[herly33]

OK, here is my question. Why would PS or any other site want to rig hands? Furthermore, do you know the type of processing power it would take (let alone the software) to make sure that 200k+ players get rigged at optimal times, so that other players can benefit, then 10 minutes later hands are rigged so the ones that just benefited now get ****ed?? I mean, I can understand being worried about hackers, inside programmers, etc. for a select few, but this whole rigged thing is nuts. The program that is the random generator cannot 100% emulate a real live deck. Shit happens when the software is trying to generate 23k+ hands every 1.x seconds (or whatever here). SHIT HAPPENS. Everyone who plays any volume of online poker has benefited and been ****ed by this. If you don't like it, go play blackjack at sportsbook and then try whining about pokerstars being rigged. I guarantee you, go run $1k playing $5 hands of blackjack there, and you will be coming back praising online poker for their excellence in software programming.

Online blackjack is rigged?

If noobs and donks didnt ever win they would never come back, correct? I mean there are the select few with lots of monies that wouldnt care either way. But if truly the best players would win they should, there would be half as many people playing on these sites. Go research the Sunday Million final tables. See how many people have negative ROI's. Next time your playing find the player at your table that never seems to lose hand but sucks worse than a Hoover. OPR them.