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[screech]

SB was 5/4/3.5 after 57 hands.Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (9 handed) converterPreflop: Hero is Button with [Qh], [Qs]. UTG calls, 3 folds, SB calls, UTG calls.Flop: (13 SB) [Kd], [Js], [7c] (5 players)SB bets, UTG calls, Hero calls.Turn: (8 BB) [5c] (5 players)SB bets, UTG calls, Hero folds.River: (10 BB) [Th] (4 players)SB bets, UTG calls.Final Pot: 12 BBPreflop cap ok?I have enough outs to continue on the flop. Should I raise since I was the preflop aggressor, and to find out where I stand?Turn fold standard?

[Actuary]

I think with his tight range, (albeit a small sample size)..his 3-bet likely means AA-JJ, AKs, AQs...I'd think.At this point,wa/wb...and you have 2 outs.I'd call downMaybe pop the turn (yes, raise) if he can be moved off a hand, or if not, do it if it would make him check to you on the river.Don't fold, especially, since you have more $$$ from UTG being in there.

[Abbaddabba]

Not sure why you'd want to raise the turn.The only hands you could possibly move off their hands are one's that are far behind your own. Those are the hands that you dont want slowing down from a raise. If he has A/Q, you want him to fire another on the river. If he has tens, you want him to fire another on the river.Plus there's a wide variety of donk-hands that he could hold, not the least of which are lower pocket pairs. All of those hands either fold to a turn raise, or check/call for a showdown. In the situations where they check call, you gain one more big bet - when they fold the turn, you win 1 fewer big bets. In situations where they have a winner, you either lose the same as you would if you check/called, or more if they act back at youI would either raise the flop, and fold to a 3bet / lead out on the turn, or call down the whole way. Calling the flop, raising the turn is the worst course of action, i think. UTG isn't particularly intimidating. Unless he's extremely extremely passive, you have him beat.

[Mattnxtc]

raise the flop...if he three bets u then he has you beat you can either fold then or fold the turn ui

[Abbaddabba]

The problem i have with raise/folding is you may very well be folding a winner against a maniac. Check/calling in this particular situation accomplishes a few things. Weaker hands continue to pay you off, you minimize the amount that you pay off to a stronger hand, and you prevent yourself from throwing away a winner. You also entice overcalls from UTG, who is almost certainly behind.

[screech]

I think my biggest mistake here was not raising the flop.I'd give myself about 3 outs (queens + bd straight) if I'm behind on the flop. If I get 3-bet, I know I'm behind, and can safely fold the turn with only two outs. Folding to a 3-bet on the flop is a HUGE mistake getting at least 18:1 immediate odds.If I don't get 3-bet on the flop, how do I proceed on the turn when faced with a donk-bet?If I get to lead the turn, do I take the free showdown if all call?

[Sysvr4]

Mattnxtc said:

raise the flop...if he three bets u then he has you beat you can either fold then or fold the turn ui

Searched, can't find it. What does "ui" mean in this context? Thanks,Jeff

[Mattnxtc]

a lot of it is read dependant..so did you have any sort of read on the sb? if he is a maniac it may be the right play to just call him down..but if he seems to be solid then its safe to assume your gonna need to improve..on the 3bet on the flop...if you raise and he only calls then you may be able to get a free card on the turn...if you get three bet then you do have the odds to call to see the turn which can then be folded ui...you will no longer be getting the right odds to draw to the 2 outs you need...thats why the raise on the flop is important...it sets up your whole hand there after

[Vade]

Sysvr4 said:

Mattnxtc said:

raise the flop...if he three bets u then he has you beat you can either fold then or fold the turn ui

Searched, can't find it. What does "ui" mean in this context? Thanks,Jeff

Unimproved...basically the turn is a complete blank for you (useless)

[Mattnxtc]

Sysvr4 said:

Mattnxtc said:

raise the flop...if he three bets u then he has you beat you can either fold then or fold the turn ui

Searched, can't find it. What does "ui" mean in this context? Thanks,Jeff

sorry i missed that...vade was there to the rescue though

[cursive34]

SB was 5/4/3.5im not sure i would even cap this preflop.hes only 3-betting with AA-JJ, AK and after the flop your behind every hand but QQ. i call the 3-bet and fold the flop UI. you have GT+ use it to your advantage.

[Actuary]

if you think you are behind every time you're 3-bet on the flop after the pre-flop action was capped, you'll fold a lot of winners.

[Actuary]

cursive34 said:

SB was 5/4/3.5im not sure i would even cap this preflop.hes only 3-betting with AA-JJ, AK and after the flop your behind every hand but QQ.  i call the 3-bet and fold the flop UI. you have GT+ use it to your advantage.

after 57 hands?bad advice.bad.