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[akishore]

PokerStars 1/2 Hold'em (6 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cxPreflop: Hero is BB with Q:heart:, A:heart:. MP posts a blind of $1. UTG calls, MP (poster) checks, CO raises, Hero calls, UTG calls, MP folds, CO calls.Flop: (13 SB) 5:diamond:, K:diamond:, J:heart: (4 players)SB bets, UTG calls, CO folds, SB calls.Turn: (9.50 BB) A:club: (3 players)SB checks, Hero bets, Hero calls, UTG calls.River: (15.50 BB) 7:spade: (3 players)SB bets, Hero calls, ...any problems with the hand?aseem

[speedz99]

Preflop: goodFlop: I don't understand that raise. You aren't on a very good draw, you aren't trying to push out a better A...what does that do for you?Turn: After the raise can't you assume you are beat? What could the SB have other than AA KK AK or JJ? Smooth call on the flop and check raise on the turn is very suspicious...River: At this point you have to call.

[ChrisOfSpades]

akishore said:

any problems with the hand?

yeah, UTG was smooth calling every bet. what the hell is that? looks suspicious, but im not too familiar w/ online play or LHE.as far as the rest, only thing funny i see here is the 2-bet on the flop. SB already 3-bet it pre-flop, then leads on the flop. smells like AK or possibly KJ. only time i'd reraise here is w/ the diamond draw.but like i said, i dont know much about LHE.

[akishore]

speedz99 said:

Preflop:  goodFlop:  I don't understand that raise.  You aren't on a very good draw, you aren't trying to push out a better A...what does that do for you?Turn:  After the raise can't you assume you are beat?  What could the SB have other than AA KK AK or JJ?  Smooth call on the flop and check raise on the turn is very suspicious...River:  At this point you have to call.

flop, i have a nut-gutshot, a backdoor nut-flush-draw, and semi-dirty pairing outs that are probably worth maybe 2 outs at best, but they're still worth something. i can estimate my partial outs at something like 7ish, and getting 14-to-1, i clearly can't fold, right?but between calling and raising, raising is much better in this big pot. the preflop threebettor could have a lot, including 10-10, Q-Q, K-Q, A-J, sometimes even A-10 and whatnot (it's very possible that SB's three-betting standards are a little light since it's six-handed). if i can shut out a better hand behind me, my winning chances go way up.on the turn, i might be beat, but i might not. are you really folding in this big pot? besides, i'm getting around 10-to-1 and can clearly call on just my gutshot alone. add the possibility that a queen here might give me the best hand, as might an ace (against something like K-J), and i think i have a little bit of an overlay to see the river.aseem

[akishore]

ChrisOfSpades said:

yeah, UTG was smooth calling every bet.  what the hell is that?  looks suspicious, but im not too familiar w/ online play or LHE.

see webster's dictionary, under "calling station" or "fish". i think it says something like "these guys make you money in poker." :-) don't mind him, he's just swimming around in there. we don't want to scare him, do we?aseem

[speedz99]

but between calling and raising, raising is much better in this big pot. the preflop threebettor could have a lot, including 10-10, Q-Q, K-Q, A-J, sometimes even A-10 and whatnot (it's very possible that SB's three-betting standards are a little light since it's six-handed). if i can shut out a better hand behind me, my winning chances go way up.Just curious, what better hand behind you do you think is folding to your raise?

[ChrisOfSpades]

akishore said:

don't mind him, he's just swimming around in there. we don't want to scare him, do we?

i dont know man...i guess i've seen enough of these guys play K5 (or somethin similar) in this spot, and just call the two-pair all the way down. seldom, but i've seen it enough to be leary.as far as SB...i dont know he's got some weird play. 3 bet pre-flop, bet-call the flop, then check-raise the turn? check-raise? on an A? im thinkin either he's got a monster, or top-pair w/ nut flush draw.

[Royal_Tour]

akishore said:

speedz99 said:

Preflop:  goodFlop:  I don't understand that raise.  You aren't on a very good draw, you aren't trying to push out a better A...what does that do for you?Turn:  After the raise can't you assume you are beat?  What could the SB have other than AA KK AK or JJ?  Smooth call on the flop and check raise on the turn is very suspicious...River:  At this point you have to call.

flop, i have a nut-gutshot, a backdoor nut-flush-draw, and semi-dirty pairing outs that are probably worth maybe 2 outs at best, but they're still worth something. i can estimate my partial outs at something like 7ish, and getting 14-to-1, i clearly can't fold, right?r.aseem

Ya., the raise was gross.not strong enough to raise in this spot

[akishore]

speedz99 said:

Just curious, what better hand behind you do you think is folding to your raise?

most of these are better hands, but there are also some hands that are worse currently that still improve my winning chances if they fold.QQ, TT, 99, 88, 77, 66.K-x rarely, J-x sometimes, 5-x rarely (anyone who plays 5-x preflop is probably loose enough to continue playing it against a bet and raise, that's the loophole).any hand that might have improved on the river when i improve on the turn.AQ that would split with me if i hit a gutshot.10-x that gets an open-ender if i hit a queen on the turn.A-10 that gets a straight if i hit a queen.etc.this is a large pot, isn't investing just one more bet worth it to increase my winning chances?aseem

[Royal_Tour]

akishore said:

PokerStars 1/2 Hold'em (6 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cxPreflop: Hero is BB with Q:heart:, A:heart:.  MP posts a blind of $1.    UTG calls, MP (poster) checks, CO raises, Hero calls, UTG calls, MP folds, CO calls.Flop: (13 SB) 5:diamond:, K:diamond:, J:heart: (4 players)SB bets, UTG calls, CO folds, SB calls.Turn: (9.50 BB) A:club: (3 players)SB checks, Hero bets, Hero calls, UTG calls.River: (15.50 BB) 7:spade: (3 players)SB bets, Hero calls, ...any problems with the hand?aseem

Just out of curiosity.SB holds A,K and UTG holds - flush draw.close?

[Steppin Razor]

speedz99 said:

Just curious, what better hand behind you do you think is folding to your raise?

Shouldn't the question also include what worse hands do you think are calling? QJ would probably come along, and a middle pair I guess.For a missed flop, I'm not sure I like the raise. I don't think you can count your Q outs fully, which leaves you with your longshot draws, and an Ace.After catching the Ace, I think you have to play it the way you did, and hope he doesn't have AJ, AK, KK, KJ, or JJ. Two pair + seems awfully likely though w/the CR.

[akishore]

Royal_Tour said:

Just out of curiosity.SB  holds  A,K   and UTG holds - flush draw.close?

i don't plan on telling results anytime soon at all, sorry.and really, results are so irrelevant.i can tell you, though, that when SB checkraised me on the turn, AK _was_ the first hand that immediately popped into mind.as for UTG, well, he was just a loose donkey calling station, i didn't care about him at all. i wouldn't have been surprised if he had 10-high no draw on the river.aseem

[speedz99]

akishore said:

speedz99 said:

Just curious, what better hand behind you do you think is folding to your raise?

most of these are better hands, but there are also some hands that are worse currently that still improve my winning chances if they fold.QQ, TT, 99, 88, 77, 66.K-x rarely, J-x sometimes, 5-x rarely (anyone who plays 5-x preflop is probably loose enough to continue playing it against a bet and raise, that's the loophole).any hand that might have improved on the river when i improve on the turn.AQ that would split with me if i hit a gutshot.10-x that gets an open-ender if i hit a queen on the turn.A-10 that gets a straight if i hit a queen.etc.this is a large pot, isn't investing just one more bet worth it to increase my winning chances?aseem

TT, 99, 88, 77, 66 I don't see as a problem here. If no A or Q hits the turn you are folding anyways, and when it does these hands will fold at that point. QQ - maybe, but I don't think QQ is folding to two small betsK-x, J-x, 5-x as you said are fairly irrelevant10-x is pretty rare for a 3-bet preflopA-10: yeah, but they probably see the turn for 2 small bets in a pot this sizeI don't know, you are much more knowledgeable than me but I still feel like your flop raise didn't accomplish much, if anything.

[jayboogie]

Really don't see the point of raising here with a gutshot/back door flush draw that you likely need to hit to be good here. You want to build a pot here to draw, not close off players that will peel one off with hands that dont draw to the nuts like yours. There's also a flush draw out there, meaning that may be less outs for you as any diamond that hits you might not be any good. I highly doubt your Ace or Queen outs are any good here.If the sb 3 bets and bets this flop, what do you think he has besides AA, KK, AK??? JJ is a possibility too. Unless he's a complete idiot that goes nuts building pots pre-flop, I can't see him having much else. All of these have your AQ smoked right now. You don't have a good draw by any means, but with the pot so big, peeling one is ok. A turn call would be ok too and I guess you could call this down too on the river without any heavy action.

[akishore]

direct quotes from SSHE."adjusting to large potswhen the pot is large, you should maximize your chances to win it. specifically, you should:...2. seize opportunities to knock out players, whether you have a made hand or a draw....for a five out draw, you need the pot to lay about 8-to-1 to continue. getting 13-to-1, you clearly should at least call.but raising is better than calling....more importantly, raising improves your winning chances. you would like to see many different hands fold....obviously, you would like to see anyone with a better hand to fold... even if it happens only rarely, this prospect is compelling; inducing a better hand to fold in a large pot is a coup....when the pot is large, invest extra bets if doing so improves your winning chances."aseem