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[Scottp4175]

I'm at work and this hand has been bugging me, so forgive me for not having the exact hand history. A little over an hour into it with a stack of approx. 4500, blinds at 75/150, I'm in MP with Kd Jd & raise to 450. Small blind (1400 chips) calls and we see this flop 2 handed: Ac 4c Kh SB immediately pushes all in (950). SB was just moved to the table a few hands ago, but I was at the same starting table as him and he appeared to be tight-aggressive. My table image at this table is tight-aggressive, although I was playing somewhat loose-aggressive at my starting table, but of course I'm completely unsure if he realized that or not.Whats my move?

[zimmer4141]

Personally, I wouldn't raise pf with KJ from MP. I don't think there are enough good flops against a caller where you can be sure that you have the best hand. I would fold here. The only hand you beat is if he's pushing with a flush draw. Even then, he most likely has 12 outs with a straight draw as well, or possibly a pair of kings with a flush draw. Fold here, and wait for a better spot.

[gobears]

Zimmer4141 said:

Personally, I wouldn't raise pf with KJ from MP.  I don't think there are enough good flops against a caller where you can be sure that you have the best hand.  I would fold here.  The only hand you beat is if he's pushing with a flush draw.  Even then, he most likely has 12 outs with a straight draw as well, or possibly a pair of kings with a flush draw.  Fold here, and wait for a better spot.

Just curious; you wouldn't raise with KJs from MP here? I could see folding KJo from MP.SB could be using the stop n go with a mid PP also since he's short stacked. In that case, you're ahead with the pair of kings. He's short stacked and might have made up his mind to push his PP post-flop no matter what.

[zimmer4141]

I think that the SB is making a pretty standard play. He probably has Ax, and decided to push if any A hit the flop.

[Scottp4175]

Here are the results from the hand, posted in another thread, I didn't really mean to have this topic posted twice in the same forum, but oh well.Thanks for the input, after I rationally think about this hand for a few minutes I have to agree that it is a clear cut fold, and I'm still questioning my preflop raise. At the time I knew he could have a wide range of hands, Ax, decent K , decent K w/ flush draw, a pocket pair less than TT, or just a flush draw, so when you take this range into account it is definitely a fold. But for some reason I just focused on a flush draw or smaller pocket pair (calling preflop and pushing the turn since he was in the blind and short stacked and this is a play I would make (stop & go)), and the fact I was getting 2-1 on the call. So I guess its pretty clear that my reasoning was bad, the preflop raise was marginal and the all-in call was terrible. He ended up having Kc Qc, so I was completely dominated, but the turn and river came: Ax Qx So we split the pot, both having AAKKQ, which was probably one of the worst beats I've ever put on someone. However, the good thing was it caused me to focus more and I wound up playing well the rest of the way finished 6th.