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[joeltebbutt]

In omaha 8/b should I always see a flop with a pair of aces even if my other two card aren't connected

[akishore]

definitely not, not even close.you should actually be more inclined to see a flop with naked kings than with aces (though naked kings still suck). do you see why?that is, K-K-8-7 is more playable than A-A-8-7, but neither hand is playable at all.aseem

[bdc30]

akishore said:

you should actually be more inclined to see a flop with naked kings than with aces (though naked kings still suck). do you see why?aseem

I'm thinking since he posted this question, he will have no clue as to what you're talking about.

[akishore]

haha, good point.1. overpairs suck in this game. period. since you flop an overpair the vast majority of the time with no real shot at anything (since your other two cards are naked), why would you want to play as an overpair postflop?2. when you flop a set of aces, you inherently introduce one low card. since there will be another low card 50% of the time roughly, and two low cards on the flop an additional 25%, you're not in a great shape to play for the whole pot.3. those two aces are the only two cards in your hand that work together. they can only make one usable combination. against a hand that is more coordinated with three cards that work together, it can make three usable combinations. against a good hand that has all four cards working together, it can make six usable combinations. see why this sucks?#2 is the reason why K-K-x-x is better than A-A-x-x if both other cards are uncoordinated. A-A-x-x is better when the two x's are good lows that offer counterfeit protection since the A naturally offers counterfeit protection, too. so, flopping a set of kings is better than a set of aces when you have a naked set (no redraw), since a low is less likely to get there.aseem

[TJ_Eckleburg]

Rule number 1 of Omaha and O/8:Throw everything you've ever learned about hold'em out the window.The similarities are there: position, move-making, stuff like that. But there's SO very much within the intricacies of Omaha that are SO very different from everything you think you know about hold'em.They're not even necessarily more complicated. Just different.

[mk]

that is, K-K-8-7 is more playable than A-A-8-7, but neither hand is playable at all.always exceptions. short-handed from any position or first to enter the pot from lp i'll raise with these holdings 90% of the time.

[akishore]

mk said:

that is, K-K-8-7 is more playable than A-A-8-7, but neither hand is playable at all.always exceptions. short-handed from any position or first to enter the pot from lp i'll raise with these holdings 90% of the time.

shorthanded is a whole different game, buddy. let's not get into that for the OP's sake. hell, A-J-10-5 rainbow is a monster four-handed, but we don't want the OP thinking that when he sits down at a ten-handed table. :-) aseem

[mk]

shorthanded is a whole different game, buddy. let's not get into that for the OP's sake. hell, A-J-10-5 rainbow is a monster four-handed, but we don't want the OP thinking that when he sits down at a ten-handed table.absolutely. perhaps it should go without saying, but i just didn't want op to think it was wrong to play these hands in every situation.

[bdc30]

mk said:

absolutely. perhaps it should go without saying, but i just didn't want op to think it was wrong to play these hands in every situation.

I see what you're saying, but I think for the OP specificallyit IS wrong to play these hands in any situation.He's obviously new to the game, and without very solidpost flop play, these hands will cause him nothing but trouble.Omaha is a game of "nut peddling" as Cloutier puts it,don't start the guy out playing hands like this, let himgain some experience and then take a shot at more advanced moves.