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#1 Actuary

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Posted 01 August 2005 - 08:56 PM

and another....big pair with Ace...this time..I get a set on the turn...Party Poker 0.50/1 Hold'em (9 handed) converterPreflop: Actuary is UTG+1 with Jd, Jc. UTG raises, Actuary calls.Flop: (9.50 SB) 6d, 3c, As (2 players)UTG checks, Actuary bets, UTG calls.Turn: (5.75 BB) Js (2 players)UTG bets, Actuary calls.River: (11.75 BB) 9d (2 players)UTG bets, Actuary calls.Final Pot: 13.75 BBshould I fold turn or cap ?Villan is LAP

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Posted 01 August 2005 - 08:58 PM

I don't think you usually play this weak.Cap the turn.Raise the river.
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Posted 01 August 2005 - 08:59 PM

What's your rationale on not capping the turn?

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Posted 01 August 2005 - 09:00 PM

What are you doing caling the turn 3-bet? Cap it and raise the river! You should know better than this.

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Posted 01 August 2005 - 09:02 PM

bet the thought of aces went through actuary's mind...
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Posted 01 August 2005 - 09:03 PM

just showing another hand where opponnets are tricker than we give them credit for.What do yuo think he's capped pf and 3-bet turn with ?And check flop with....Believe it or not, if anything..I mis read opponents on the other side..that is..I'll usually raise when I'm beat (seee the QJ hand...)..but...anyway...I know it seems obvious to raise...until you consider what he did pf and on the turn.

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Posted 01 August 2005 - 09:04 PM

cap the turnraise the rivercall a reraise on the river

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Posted 01 August 2005 - 09:04 PM

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What do yuo think he's capped pf and 3-bet turn with ?  And check flop with....
give a read then, this hand sucks
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Posted 01 August 2005 - 09:04 PM

Actuary said:

anyway...I know it seems obvious to raise...until you consider what he did pf and on the turn.
If the guy has a set of aces, he's getting paid.
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Posted 01 August 2005 - 09:06 PM

econ_tim said:

Actuary said:

anyway...I know it seems obvious to raise...until you consider what he did pf and on the turn.
If the guy has a set of aces, he's getting paid.
Agreed.KK QQ AK and AQ (overplayed, obviously) are all realistic posibilities. I'm paying off a set of aces.

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Posted 01 August 2005 - 09:07 PM

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What do yuo think he's capped pf and 3-bet turn with ?  And check flop with....
give a read then, this hand sucks
I said he's a lap..Maybe I addedd thaty late.He's not aggr post flop336 hands40/6/1.35 (post flop aggr)

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Posted 01 August 2005 - 09:12 PM

Absolute cap river, no matter what.If he still bets into the river, and your sure from your read he has AA, smooth call. But definitely put the 4th bet in on the turn.

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Posted 01 August 2005 - 09:13 PM

The only thing about the villain that confuses me isthe flop check/call.If he had a set of aces, you would think he'd show a bit of it.Like the others say, cap turn, raise river.If he has the aces, oh well, you're out $10,at least it's not NL.

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Posted 01 August 2005 - 09:23 PM

Custom36 said:

econ_tim said:

Actuary said:

anyway...I know it seems obvious to raise...until you consider what he did pf and on the turn.
If the guy has a set of aces, he's getting paid.
Agreed.KK QQ AK and AQ (overplayed, obviously) are all realistic posibilities. I'm paying off a set of aces.
I thought AK might be the best hope after the turn.KK/ QQ doesn't raise me after check/call on flop, I'd think.If he has AA..would he give it away by c/r the flop...if he had KK/QQ wouldn't he bet the flop to "see where he was"...Another way to think about it...does KK/QQ/ or another capping hand besides AK pay me off..aside from one more bet on the turn ?But if a cap turn and river..I'm likely behind to AA...no?I'd agree capping turn..probably good idea..but just calling river...and be kicking myself if he turns over AK-AJ or KK/QQ..




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