pokerroom.com?

[megacake 0]

Just wondering if any of you play on Pokerroom.com and if there is any history of people thinking its not legitimate...here are my reasons for wonderingAbout a week ago I saw 3 10's flop, as I was calling my friends over to see it, the 4th 10 came on the turn. Fluke, I guess, but all 4 10's before the river? thats crazy.... (.000369% chance of happening, 1 in every 271,000 hands)5 hands later...5 hands!! 3 Aces flopped (.018% chance of happening, 1 in every 5,555 hands). I mean...what are the odds? this was only 5 hands after the 4 10's came up in a row...A few days later (last night), I got dealth pocket-rockets TWICE in a row (.00205% chance of happening, 1 in every 48,780 set of two hands). As I was complaining about this to the others at my table (well, wondering, can't really complain about pocket rockets) I saw three 10's flop again (.018% chance of happening, 1 in every 5,555 hands).I know there is a chance that this is all just a freak coincidence, but I also know the odds of me seeing all of that in a week (probably play 7 or 8 hours a week) are EXTREMELY low...I mean freakishly low somwhere around ~.0000001%Just looking for some info.

[dna4ever 2]

www.cardplayer.com/poker_magazine/archives/showarticle.php?a_id=14467&m_id=65553Read that, good article. The fact is longshot odds happen. Did I moan in the Negreanu open last night when I had pocket 7s and 3 aces came on the board and chao had the 4th ace in his hand? I was like whats the odds he has the 4th ace, lets raise it up! DOH! :evil:

[megacake 0]

www.cardplayer.com/poker_magazine/archives/showarticle.php?a_id=14467&m_id=65553

Thanks for the article and I'll read it, but I should clarify, on most of these hands I had already folded (pre flop), so I'm not upset and I didn't really lose any money on the hands (besides losing one on my AA hands). I mean I know weird things happen...I guess I wish I could just see a database that kept track of hands, flops, community, etc. for the poker services. Maybe it should be required?

[jayistheman 0]

-i've had back to back AA before. in fact i busted the same guy two times. (royal vegas poker)-i got quads 4 times in one session... my friend got 2, and i saw 3 more that same night(paradise poker)-i have multiple screenshots of boards like 2222x and AAAAx where any A and any K respectively are going nuts.(paradise poker)-ive seen straight flush over straight flush... both 2 card. (poker room)sometimes it just happens.

[KramitDaToad 0]

I know what you mean. Last night I saw a hand where the turn made...2 6 Q 4 The odds of that happening... almost 6.5 million to one! :roll:

[Kendren 1]

Well, possibly it should be required, but who is going to enforce it? These cardrooms are based in far flung places in the world (Pokerroom, incidentally, is in Sweden, I do believe), so American laws don't apply to them. Until poker on the internet is legalized in the US, they can't/won't regulate it like that. So it's kind of a moot point, but I'd like to see one too. I firmly believe that Pokerroom, and all other sites, are legitimate, and do not rig their games, personally.Interestingly, I've been running a home experiment in my down time (not much). I've been dealing a heads up hand, assuming all in in the dark, and dealing out the community. Last night, in 50 hands, the lower starting hand rivered a winning card 18 times. Not flopped it, not turned it, but rivered it, 18 times. The bigger starter hit a comeback card on the river to win 6 times. So 24 river wins out of 50 hands. I dealt a 10 handed spread a couple nights ago and had 88, JJ, KK, and AQs. (KK held up, btw ) So this has gone a long way to helping me realize those strange deals happen, no matter what. Yes, in my experiment, 3 of a card have come up on the flop (can't say 4 on a board, but as you said, very statistically unlikely, but it does happen). Sure, the odds are very long. But they were lnog for Varkonyi, Moneymaker, and Raymer to win, too.Dang, this has been full of wind, hasn't it? Sorry for the long post.

[FOOSE1 0]

Hey Megacake . . . I like Pokerroom. I play there everyday and love the site. It has good graphics and seems to look a lot better than others I have tried. I haven't ever felt weird about playing there and have done pretty well on that site. Hope this helps.

[Eclypse 0]

I got two straight-flushes within about 15 minutes and I LOST with one of them.This happened in a Gardena card room about 20 years ago. We were playing draw poker too, so it wasn't like we both hit each end of the flop or something. What are the odds of someone getting two straight flushes within 15 minutes and then the odds of two people getting a straight-flush in the same hand of draw poker?Pretty friggin' long.Do I think B & M cardrooms are rigged?No.

[megacake 0]

Thanks for the replys everyone,And your experiment sounds really interesting Kendren. Even if Internet Poker was legalized in the US the servers would be run in whatever country had the leanest laws I'm sure.Yeah, I'm not a guy who ever complains about a bad beat, and I will apologize to others when I get one (like my Q6s beating a AA in an all-in last night). And I have come to fully respect the river, but your experiment Kenren is very interesting, if river beats are indeed that high, it might actually start to change my style of play a bit (do a little bit more bullying at the flop).

[dna4ever 2]

but your experiment Kenren is very interesting, if river beats are indeed that high, it might actually start to change my style of play a bit (do a little bit more bullying at the flop).

Interesting yes, but think hard about changing your style of play because of one guys 50 hand experiment, hehe

[Kendren 1]

It is interesting, or at least I think so. Haven't really gotten deeply into it, I started it when I took 4 bad beats (or bad plays by me, still not sure ) in a row to bust out of a tourney, just grabbed a deck and started dealing. Haven't kept great records before last week, now I have about 150 heads up hands logged. All the stats are at home, tho. But I've noticed, heads up, at least, catching up is not nearly as uncommon as you might think. And it's exactly the level of work I like... none Just grab a deck and deal.. it's therapeutic, for me

[Kendren 1]

but your experiment Kenren is very interesting, if river beats are indeed that high, it might actually start to change my style of play a bit (do a little bit more bullying at the flop).

Interesting yes, but think hard about changing your style of play because of one guys 50 hand experiment, hehe

Oh, God, I missed that line... don't take my word for it, man, do your own, or ignore me :oops: 50 hands ain't nothing, 150 ain't either... I just find it interesting. After 1000 hands, I'll post the results, and then we can talk about changing styles 8) And remember, that was just heads up

[megacake 0]

Yeah of course it's important to keep in mind that it's heads up. I tried writing a Java poker hand simulator this summer (computer engineer here) but got swamped in syntax errors. Anybody here know of a good playing deck class or hold 'em class thats out there somewhere? hehe, i know the odds are low but just hoping

[Kendren 1]

Dang, that's going farther than I know how with the simulator :shock: Don't know of any classes off the top of my head, except maybe Josh Arieh's in Atlanta.

[SBriand 4]

I play there daily and like it as well. I have had my share of bad beats but I have had them in Casino's, home games, and pokerrroom.com. As long as I continue to make money each week, I will continue to play there.

[jayistheman 0]

Yeah of course it's important to keep in mind that it's heads up. I tried writing a Java poker hand simulator this summer (computer engineer here) but got swamped in syntax errors. Anybody here know of a good playing deck class or hold 'em class thats out there somewhere? hehe, i know the odds are low but just hoping

there might be... but as a compsci major, im guessing that you probly overcomplicated the problem. i wrote a card simulator a few years ago, and if i can find it ill let ya know.... if memory serves me right, i wrote it in VB for the graphical stuff, so it isnt a class.... but it works.

[Robification 0]

Just thought you guys might wanna check out this link. It has some data that pokerroom has collected in hopes of showing their deals are random. I play a lot of online poker and you're gonna see weird stuff happen, especially since you could be playing up to 120 hands/ hr.http://www.pokerroom.com/main/page/games/cardStats

[jayistheman 0]

Dang, that's going farther than I know how with the simulator :shock: Don't know of any classes off the top of my head, except maybe Josh Arieh's in Atlanta.

lmao... not a programmer, are we? or is it that i cant detect sarcasm?? i shoulda kept my mouth shut :?

[megacake 0]

thanks a lot for the site robification! this was exactly what i was looking for.

[Kendren 1]

Dang, that's going farther than I know how with the simulator :shock: Don't know of any classes off the top of my head, except maybe Josh Arieh's in Atlanta.

lmao... not a programmer, are we? or is it that i cant detect sarcasm?? i shoulda kept my mouth shut :?

I be an uderprogrammer... eg: I don't even know how the gerbils in the computer get it to run. But I enjoy the results, except when they want food and crap all over the place. :wink:

[Guest]

Ironically, I had planned on coming home from work this morning and posting a question about Pokerroom. Thanks to whomever helped enable my laziness (now I dont have to start a whole new thread). I've dumbed around a bit with pokerroom. Quite frankly, I hate the interface, though I've seen worse. I generally play at UB now, but I was thinking of moving part of my bankroll over there. I work overnights and I generally dont have time to play during the week, only weekends. I want to play 7 days a week! I work for a huge internet company; one that regulates downloads, meaning I cant download poker software. Pokerroom offers it web based; which means I could spend my 11 hour work night playing poker. I'll tell ya, its truly great to manage your own shift. Your in charge; which means the only responsibility you have is to ensure your employees dont die (and the only reason you even need to do that is so you dont have to fill out the paperwork afterwards. I'm not entirely sure if I'm joking, sadly). Anyway, my apologies for being horribly wordy. My questions are:1. Has anyone ever had problems with cashing out there/getting your money? 2. How reliable is the site in regards to downtime and all such things?3. Any problems with the web based interface? I havent gotten to fool with it muchThanks in advance for the help!

[Kendren 1]

Your in charge; which means the only responsibility you have is to ensure your employees dont die (and the only reason you even need to do that is so you dont have to fill out the paperwork afterwards. I'm not entirely sure if I'm joking, sadly).

Seems cool, except for the whole paperwork thing... if they're working 11 hour shifts, who's gonna miss them if they disappear anyways? :wink:

Anyway, my apologies for being horribly wordy. My questions are:1. Has anyone ever had problems with cashing out there/getting your money? 2. How reliable is the site in regards to downtime and all such things?3. Any problems with the web based interface? I havent gotten to fool with it muchThanks in advance for the help!

1. None whatsoever, I've cashed out twice by mailed check even, gotten it with no issues 5-7 business days later, cashed no problem. Not heard any real complaints from anybody about it.2. Iffy. Midafternoons are bad, late evenings/late nights EST are pretty good, that's when I play daily, 10:00 PM and later. If you're in a tourney and it freezes, they'll get refunds relatively quickly, like 2-3 days.3. Not really, sometimes you have ghosting problems (cards that don't fade after a hand), but that might be more a connection thing. I can't download either, so all I've ever played is the web interface, and it's nice, but I miss the stats. Hope that helps some, PR is the only place I play, and I love the place.

[Ice94 0]

I was playing in a live tournament, 2 decks per table, and the guy next to me had rockets on 4 out of 6 hands, with 3 in a row. That same table I had quads twice within about an hour. One PP, and flopped, another A5 with a 5 on the flop, turn, and river. So it does happen. I think, as people have said, you see so many more hands on line than live that it "seems" like it happens a lot. Just my opinion.

[FOOSE1 0]

I play there daily and like it as well. I have had my share of bad beats but I have had them in Casino's, home games, and pokerrroom.com. As long as I continue to make money each week, I will continue to play there.

What's your user name at Pokerroom . . . maybe I'll run into you!!

[brando 0]

I play at pokerroom and ub all the time.pokerroom - brando_1801 - usually .50 - 1 10 table and multi'sub - brando_18 - .50 - 1 and .50-1 kill gamesI love pokerroom's software. I use firepay and have never had a problem.What's some of your names on pokerroom?