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#41 japeto_mtg

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Posted 18 January 2005 - 09:09 PM

poker professionals do not apply as an entertainer hbecause withou them the entertainment would continue. thatds the diffrence between them and say an actor.

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Posted 18 January 2005 - 09:21 PM

I'm sorry but I don't say much and have to respond to this one. Japeto when are you going to strap a bomb to your chest and "martyr" yourself you nut. Wake up! The era of religious persecution by our own ignorance is over. What you have to understand is that people living in this world today don't care about a sin or a tin or a fin for that matter. They care about making a living, something preachers don't have to do by the way because they SAP MONEY OUT OF PEOPLE FOR...YES ENTERTAINMENT.If everything not done for fun is a sin and we shouldn't sin then how do we sustain ourselves in this world? Sacrifice a goat and hope God gives us everlasting grain?

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Posted 18 January 2005 - 09:25 PM

Atlas said:

I'm sorry but I don't say much and have to respond to this one. Japeto when are you going to strap a bomb to your chest and "martyr" yourself you nut. Wake up! The era of religious persecution by our own ignorance is over. What you have to understand is that people living in this world today don't care about a sin or a tin or a fin for that matter. They care about making a living, something preachers don't have to do by the way because they SAP MONEY OUT OF PEOPLE FOR...YES ENTERTAINMENT.If everything not done for fun is a sin and we shouldn't sin then how do we sustain ourselves in this world? Sacrifice a goat and hope God gives us everlasting grain?
stupidest comment so far.

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Posted 18 January 2005 - 09:25 PM

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God put us on this earth to do something productive
Define productive.Chip Reese plays poker all the time and is able to support his family and send his kids to school. I'd call that productive. Same with Doyle, he supported his family through poker. Is that not productive?
Hey, I don't have all the answers in life. To be honest, I've failed as much as I've succeeded, but I love my wife, I love my life, and I wish you my kind of success.

#45 japeto_mtg

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Posted 18 January 2005 - 09:28 PM

no its not, because there productivety limits everyone else's productivity. Too be truely productive you AND society shoudl benefit.

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Posted 18 January 2005 - 09:31 PM

In the United States we believe in Capitalism. Under that kind of economy people have the ability to strive to make as much money as they can. If someone creates a new product that becomes very popular, that person should be entitled to the profits. The business of proffessional sports only pays the athletes so much money because the sport as a whole generates that much money. People are willing to pay billions of dollars each year to watch various forms of entertainment, thus the people who provide that entertainment are entitled to the profits. Poker is exactly the same. To some people it is a business that they accell at. People are only able to make money off of it because other people are willing to give it to them. As long as the person is playing the game by the rules, how can it be wrong if one person consistantly wins. While it is true that some people dont realize the situation they get themselves into, they still made the choice to sit down at the poker table. Poker is just another form of capitalism.

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Posted 18 January 2005 - 09:37 PM

capitalism is inherently sinful. anyways america isnt a true capitalist nation, ever heard of social security and welfare? these are socialist ideas.

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Posted 18 January 2005 - 09:41 PM

you are a nut
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Posted 18 January 2005 - 09:44 PM

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I am sinning right now at the 100$ NL 5 card stud game at prima.
WOW!!!! You're preaching about not sinning while playing poker, but you admit that you're sinning??? Dude, you are one of the biggest hypocrites ever!! Hey, how much of that bankroll are you going to donate? None, oh.. I see... you're an even bigger hypocrite now. :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil:
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Posted 18 January 2005 - 09:46 PM

Social security won't even be around by the time I am eligible for it.

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Posted 18 January 2005 - 09:53 PM

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not at all, I am sinning right now at the 100$ NL 5 card stud game at prima.
Then how dare you dudge the rest of us. :evil:

#52 thegamesover

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Posted 18 January 2005 - 10:04 PM

Im not trying to say that Capitalism is 100% perfect, but its the best economic system out there. Yes it may be inherently sinful, but what economic system isnt? It is human nature to try and be better than others at given tasks. It seems to me that your basic argument is that it is wrong to make a profit at the expense of others. You seem to be mainly focusing on poker primarily because this is a poker forum. However, you could goto a forum on any business and come up with reasons why that business is immoral. My main point is that human beings arent perfect and never will be. Just because someone plays poker, it doesnt mean that they are an immoral person, it just means that they are able to do well in a certain field.

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Posted 18 January 2005 - 10:30 PM

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barry greenstien is blessed with a great gift yet he only donates a small % of himself to charity. I donate as much as i can afford and so should he.
I was going to think of a clever rebuttal...Then I remembered, I don't speak moron...Is being ignorant a sin? If so, you're going to hell.HE SHOULD DONATE AS MUCH AS HE COULD AFFORD!?!? Dude... you seriously need to open your eyes... the man donated more money than you make in a year to save children. Seriously man, stop polluting the forum with your verbal diarrhea and pro poker player bashing... The fact that you would even question the fact that Barry Greenstien is a sinner for not donating ALL of his winnings to charity, makes the absolute worst argument I've ever heard. Donate all of your pay this year to charity... that'd be interesting.

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Posted 18 January 2005 - 10:59 PM

YAY! Oh you have no idea how happy you've made me! I'm a cook! I'm going to heaven because the guy on the forum said so. Sincerely, Joey Buttafuco

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Posted 18 January 2005 - 11:01 PM

putting down Barry, what a troll! :roll:

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Posted 18 January 2005 - 11:15 PM

First of all, I can't believe you actually believe that playing poker for a living is sinful. First of all, any occupation that you may hold, is held with the purpose of making money. That is, money which you, at one point did not have in your possesion. Seeing as money just doesn't appear out of nowhere, the money that you currently have must have come from the rest of society. Every job, in some way, shape or form is held in order to take the money from the rest of society and place it into your pocket. I mean seriously, you would have to be extremely ignorant to deny the fact that Catholicism's very foundations are based around making money. Now, i understand that some people may not believe that gambling for profit is morally right, but your ignorance and religious beliefs are neither my problem nor concern, so stop complaining and get with the times.

#57 Smasharoo

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Posted 18 January 2005 - 11:30 PM

I mean seriously, you would have to be extremely ignorant to deny the fact that Catholicism's very foundations are based around making money.Any form of organised Christanity is strictly about money and power.The Catholics are just better at it than most.No church is founded for any other reason, though.

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Posted 18 January 2005 - 11:33 PM

I grew up in the church and consider myself to still be a christian.and to tell the truth, i see less corruption and evil at my poker table than i do at the church i was raised in.

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Posted 19 January 2005 - 12:30 AM

japeto_mtg this is an something that I've considered for quite sometime and I'm glad you brought it up. First off, it's good to see that some people can discuss something they DISAGREE with in a constructive manner, others havea hard time saying anything that contrubutes to the disussion and it does nothing for their point of view. If you disagree and think japeto is an idiot then say so and give some good reasons :!: Anyways japeto i do disagree very strongly with you on this one. Poker playing is not sinful in and of itself correct? I believe you said as much in one of your posts. So where is the sin? You seem to have a problem with devoting a lifetime of work to something that produces no tangible good for society, is that a fair statement? I don't know of any Christian teaching that says you have to do something noble to put food on the table. As long as what you are doing isn't sinful then making a living at it shouldn't be either. Don't you think Jesus is more concerned with how we treat people and if we love God?As far as judging Barry, man you just ruined any argument you had. This violates one of the core Christian principles: Don't judge others!!! I can hear your arguments and I think I know where you are coming from but let's leave the judging to God and try to live good lives eh?

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Posted 19 January 2005 - 12:35 AM

I know it's a religion of rationalization and everything, but come on. Of course it's a sin to exploit money from people who are complusive gamblers or drunk or who can't afford to play.Christ goes on and on and on about how unimportant money is and how money hade for money's sake is meaningless and vain. Vanity being a deadly sin and all.




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