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#21 japeto_mtg

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Posted 18 January 2005 - 08:41 PM

not at all, I am sinning right now at the 100$ NL 5 card stud game at prima.

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Posted 18 January 2005 - 08:43 PM

japeto, can you please do me a favor and list ten jobs i can hold where i'm not sinning whatsoever? 10 different jobs, i don't want to hear "pastor, church builder, cross builder, pew washer."

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Posted 18 January 2005 - 08:43 PM

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I don't have a huge problem with your thinking japeto_mtg, but I think you are a little too harsh in saying that anyone who plays poker professionally is committing a sin. One could make the argument that because I beat out a struggling, single mother with three kids for a job as a computer programmer, and didn't relinquish the job to her, I'm committing a sin. Poker players need jobs too. Surely, some of them could go and work more grueling jobs for less money, but what is the incentive for that? I don't think it's a sin to play poker professionally, but a serious christian who plays should be donating a fair amount of their winnings to their church or charities or people they know who could really use the money (if they are making enough to be able to afford it). I do, however, think it is a sin to play professional poker and win millions of dollars and keep it all to yourself.And going back to the topic of more grueling jobs, many are jobs that are also forms of competition designed to try and take other people's money as well. If I work for a computer company, my efforts are going towards trying to make my company better so that they will earn more money. Ultimately, this leads to other companies losing money and perhaps going broke. By the way, I'm not involved with computers, it's just the example in my head right now. Anyhow, oftentimes someone else will have to lose money in order for me to gain it. It's just how the world works and it isn't specific to only poker.japeto_mtg, you have a clear understanding of the importance of how our intentions are important to God. But, I think you might be off a little bit on your opinion of this matter.
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Posted 18 January 2005 - 08:44 PM

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barry greenstien is blessed with a great gift yet he only donates a small % of himself to charity. I donate as much as i can afford and so should he.
Only a complete moron would put a man down for not donating enough money, when he has already donated millions. Being a professional poker player is no different than any other profession. There is a finite amount of money in the world, so everyone's business life comes down to trying to end up with the biggest piece of the pie.But I did hear that a lot of Indonesians are gamblers. I guess in your mind God must have smote them for playing too much cards.
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Posted 18 January 2005 - 08:45 PM

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best response so far something actually intellegent to say.
really difficult to argue intelligently with someone that can't comprehend intelligence.Who the hell are you to cast judgment upon anybody?

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Posted 18 January 2005 - 08:46 PM

1. Bag boy2. Construction worker3. Lawer(if done prorperly)4. Doctor5. Accountant6. Fireman7. Teacher8. Writer9. Cook10. Computer programmerenjoy.

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Posted 18 January 2005 - 08:47 PM

it doesnt matter the ammout u donate its how much of urself u give up, me giving 1,000 dollars to charity would mean more then barry donating a million.

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Posted 18 January 2005 - 08:49 PM

Do u realize that by u wanting Barry Greenstien to donate more and more money from his cash game u are asking him to do what u call unethical, TAKE PEOPLES MONEY.Playing poker for fun is making money.Playing poker for money is having fun.Awful said it much better, u sit at the table u accept the risk. By other people sitting at the table they are hoping to take your money so poker in general is a sinful game.This is what happens when a 2000 year old religion is still around in a modern society (please dont attack this), u have to take things out that no longer apply and apply the general messages. Its like a story or a movie, just take the theme and run with it.And u know if God is around, Im sure hed like poker if he didnt know every thing before hand, he#d be a mean opponent. Like playin a low limit playing, u wouldnt want to bluff him. Please post something next time that conforms logic.

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Posted 18 January 2005 - 08:51 PM

once again it comes down to why u play poker if he was playing poker wiht the sole purpose to donate almost all of his winnings to charity thn it would be ok to play.

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Posted 18 January 2005 - 08:53 PM

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1. Bag boy2. Construction worker3. Lawer(if done prorperly)4. Doctor5. Accountant6. Fireman7. Teacher8. Writer9. Cook10. Computer programmerenjoy.
1) I'm bagging up the cookies and crisco that the obese will eat and possibly die from, thus helping along their heart attack. Sin?2) I could be building a brothel, a casino(!), or maybe a house for a child molester. Sin?3) Don't even really need to get into this one. 4) I'm charging the poor hundreds of thousands of dollars for operations they must have in order to live, but couldn't afford if they worked 80 hours a week for the rest of their lives at their current job, while I rake in big dough. Sin?5) I make money off of managing other sinners' money. Sin?6) Sin-free.7) Sin-free #2.8) I charge a lot of money per book, which is sapping off of entertainment costs. Sin.9) Similar to #1, I'm cooking up burgers for the obese to eat to help them along with their path of gluttony. Sin? 10) See the other poster about how computer programmers must be sinning because they're trying to make a faster computer to drive other computer businesses out of business, thus bankrupting innocent christians. Sin.

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Posted 18 January 2005 - 08:54 PM

Oh and please dont have kids, the last thing this world needs is spawn from your cesspool.

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Posted 18 January 2005 - 08:54 PM

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once again it comes down to why u play poker if he was playing poker wiht the sole purpose to donate almost all of his winnings to charity thn it would be ok to play.
Out of curiosity, if I rob a bank, and thousands of people go broke, but I donate every penny to the Red Cross to help out the tsunami victims, am I a sinner? I had good intentions!

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Posted 18 January 2005 - 08:58 PM

any profession can be sinful if u do the wrong things in them, teacher- teach kids the wrong things that include ur personal bias, fireman makes a desision that he shoul save himself instead of someone else etc.

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Posted 18 January 2005 - 09:00 PM

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any profession can be sinful if u do the wrong things in them, teacher- teach kids the wrong things that include ur personal bias, fireman makes a desision that he shoul save himself instead of someone else etc.
So, if you play poker professionally you're sinning, but you don't have to donate almost all of your "profit" from teaching since it's a "real job"?

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Posted 18 January 2005 - 09:01 PM

It is great how strong you feel about your religious convictions. I am also a Christian but i wander why you write a post like this on a forum like this. Is it because you want more people to become Christians. If so then that is great but it seems like you're not going about it the right way. If you are not posting for this reason then you are passing harsh judgements on people who you have never met, and are generalizing and stereotyping. That sounds like a sin to me. It is not your job to pass judgement it is his. Try your best to help people, but do not critize those whose beliefs are different than yours.
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Posted 18 January 2005 - 09:02 PM

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once again it comes down to why u play poker if he was playing poker wiht the sole purpose to donate almost all of his winnings to charity thn it would be ok to play.
Out of curiosity, if I rob a bank, and thousands of people go broke, but I donate every penny to the Red Cross to help out the tsunami victims, am I a sinner? I had good intentions!
yes because you are robbing other people taking money that they didnt chose to donate. as for greenstien taking other peoples money that they didnt chose to donate, well its diffrent because they understand that greenstien might get ahold of there money, wile if u rob a bank the people had no idea.

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Posted 18 January 2005 - 09:03 PM

there are so many more important things in the world than figuring out if you are sinning or not. Who gives a dam. if you are poker player you know that you are just trying to make a living playing a game. Thats all it is, a game. Japeto, stop acting like a crusader because you play poker as well, and i gaurantee you felt dam good when you raked a big pot from that blind guy that didnt know how to play.
If you see a kid in a casino who doesnt look 21, dont hate on him and have him carded just because he is the one raking in all your chips.

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Posted 18 January 2005 - 09:03 PM

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It is great how strong you feel about your religious convictions. I am also a Christian but i wander why you write a post like this on a forum like this. Is it because you want more people to become Christians. If so then that is great but it seems like you're not going about it the right way. If you are not posting for this reason then you are passing harsh judgements on people who you have never met, and are generalizing and stereotyping. That sounds like a sin to me. It is not your job to pass judgement it is his. Try your best to help people, but do not critize those whose beliefs are different than yours.
boom. that's the hammer whacking the nail.see japeto, even christians disagree with you. as I previously said, who the hell are you to pass judgment on anyone?

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Posted 18 January 2005 - 09:04 PM

The only system to ever try to completely destroy inequalities and edges that people have over one another and abolish anyone taking from anyone else was both godless and a failure in meeting its ideal concepts.Also, any rebuttal to my prior post about informed consent and poker being just any other business in its treatment of those surrendering their money?

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Posted 18 January 2005 - 09:05 PM

im not critisising people or accusing people of sinning, like i said u can play poker and not sin, its not like is aid danny G. was commiting a sin by playing poker. he may be or he may not be im sure he knows




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