confused with two pair

[econ_tim 0]

Party Poker 1/2 Hold'em (9 handed) converterPreflop: econ_tim is SB with [Ts], [Ac]. 5 folds, CO calls, Button calls, econ_tim completes, BB checks.Flop: (4 SB) [4c], [7c], [Th] (4 players)econ_tim bets, BB calls, CO folds, Button calls.Turn: (3.50 BB) [6s] (3 players)econ_tim bets, econ_tim calls, BB calls.River: (9.50 BB) [7d] (3 players)econ_tim checks, BB checks, Button bets, econ_tim calls, BB folds.Final Pot: 11.50 BBWhat do you think about bet/folding river?

[akishore 0]

i'm not a fan of the turn, but i can't completely put my finger on it.the pot's not that big, so i'm not a fan of calling down.at the same time, top pair is decently strong, so i'm not sure if folding is correct.still, top pair isn't strong _enough_ to be three-betting here.i just hate the situation you're in on the turn.folding is a little weak/tight, but it might not be terrible.i think it mostly depends on passivity of button.aseem

[KDawgCometh 2]

raise PF, and the rest is fine

[popeye18 0]

raise PF, and the rest is fine

Do you think this is close? IM probably raising sometimes and calling sometimes depending on the table.

[akishore 0]

raise PF, and the rest is fine

edited again...out of position? i'm not a big fan of raising this out of position from the small blind.aseem

[Guest XXEddie]

What do you think about bet/folding river?no you played the river finebet/fold and check/call both cost 1BB, and they way you played you chance to win

[Mattnxtc 0]

any read on the button as to what hands he may play? does he limp with big hands?

[Chiggleslap 0]

As far as how you played it, looks fine to me. Although I'd probably feel like I'm beat when he raises on the turn, it might be a little weak to fold hereAs far as what the button had, this is an interesting one...Some hands that come to mind:Flopped a set of 4's?10 7 for top two on the flop?5 8 and he chased down the gut shot *shudder*? 56 for open-ended straight and he got excited when he picked up a pair to go w/ it?There are several possibilities if this guy is liable to play hands like these from the button.Tough spot, for sure. I don't envy you.Your decision here depends so much on the player you're up against...

[akishore 0]

can we discuss the turn?i dislike folding (hand might be a little too strong to fold), i dislike calling down (pot's not that big), and i dislike three-betting (hand's not that strong).what's the best play on the turn, without reads?aseem

[TheMathProf 0]

Maybe I'm thinking a bit too basically here, but I was thinking he just made a set of 6's on the turn...

As far as how you played it, looks fine to me. Although I'd probably feel like I'm beat when he raises on the turn, it might be a little weak to fold hereAs far as what the button had, this is an interesting one...Some hands that come to mind:Flopped a set of 4's?10 7 for top two on the flop?5 8 and he chased down the gut shot *shudder*? 56 for open-ended straight and he got excited when he picked up a pair to go w/ it?There are several possibilities if this guy is liable to play hands like these from the button.Tough spot, for sure. I don't envy you.Your decision here depends so much on the player you're up against...

[Chiggleslap 0]

Maybe I'm thinking a bit too basically here, but I was thinking he just made a set of 6's on the turn...

Yeah, I left that one out... that's another definite possibility.Aseem, I feel the same way as you on this hand. It seems too strong to fold and too weak to call down. It's just so much more likely that you are behind than you are ahead in this spot IMO. This is the kind of situation where, if you gave me this betting progression 1,000 times, I'm probably gonna fold to the raise on the turn half the time and call, check/call the other half, depending on the player i'm up against. I don't know if it'd be 50/50, but you get the idea of what I mean.

[wrto4556 0]

the turn is a pretty easy call aseem. He may have a worse two pair and AT has a lot of outs against it. It also may be the best hand.raise preflop.

[Nutcracker 0]

Maybe I'm thinking a bit too basically here, but I was thinking he just made a set of 6's on the turn...

As far as how you played it, looks fine to me.  Although I'd probably feel like I'm beat when he raises on the turn, it might be a little weak to fold hereAs far as what the button had, this is an interesting one...Some hands that come to mind:Flopped a set of 4's?10 7 for top two on the flop?5 8 and he chased down the gut shot *shudder*?  56 for open-ended straight and he got excited when he picked up a pair to go w/ it?There are several possibilities if this guy is liable to play hands like these from the button.Tough spot, for sure.  I don't envy you.Your decision here depends so much on the player you're up against...

It's clearly 89, he had oesd that hit on the turn.I play it the same way though. Folding TPTK is tough to do and I'd need a pretty good read to not call this down.

[LuckyMcCatcher 0]

You have to raise preflop. You have the best hand and even if you are out of position you need to get the money in when you have the best against a weak limper and the bb. You need to call this down unless your read on this player is that he is unlikely to make this move w/o a great hand.