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[dimseven]

Hero posts and gets Ac 3dFolds... Hero (CO) checks, Button calls, SB completes, BB checksFlop: [7s][As][8d]SB checks, BB bets, Hero?No reads.

[TJ_Eckleburg]

Not to be rude...But how is this not a bet 100,000,000% of the time?

[greatwhite]

First of all why are you playing A3 offsuit? Secondly, what is the point of being in this hand if you are not going to bet top pair? Bet :!:

[dimseven]

TJ_Eckleburg said:

Not to be rude...But how is this not a bet 100,000,000% of the time?

Because when facing a bet, 0.0000 of the time can You bet. You can raise, You can call, You can even fold (although ridiculous), but You can't bet.If it was checked to me, I would bet.

[dimseven]

greatwhite said:

First of all why are you playing A3 offsuit? Secondly, what is the point of being in this hand if you are not going to bet top pair? Bet :!:

Because I just posted on the table, which means I didn't want to wait until the blinds came around to post. And I can't bet. It WAS bet.

[dimseven]

You two need to drink some coffee. :wink:

[hotbacon]

i would say raise preflop. any semi decent hand in a CO blind is good enough to raise, since it only costs you 1 more SB. that really changes the whole perspective of the hand.i say raise the flop.

[TJ_Eckleburg]

Sorry.The color code confused me. I'm used to black being check/call and red being raise, and you made red just be highlighting your action.I officially change my answer to "this is a no-brainer raise" then.The blinds can be betting anything or nothing here. If he 3-bets you, THEN it's time to think about folding. And calling is catastrophically bad.

[akishore]

i raise this PF (you should be raising almost any two cards if you post in the CO and it folds over to you... the pot odds are astronomical).since you didn't, we have a small pot on the flop, and i actually fold to this bet.if it was raised pre-flop, and someone bet out, then you should be raising.pot's small, reverse implied odds are decent here, not a big deal to fold.aseem

[econ_tim]

open checking pf from the CO is death

[dimseven]

Ok I'll consider raising CO after a post. But Aseem, pot odds astronomical? At the most, its 6:1 equit if button, SB and BB ALL call after I raise. Is that what You mean?I also take back an earlier statement about folding being ridiculous, its fine, I just don't like it. I think top pair bad kicker is most of the time the best hand at the moment on the flop.That gets to the flop decision. I think calling 1 bet on the flop is ok in this situation, can Y'all see why?

[Smasharoo]

This is an easy raise.Eeeasy.Calling's horrible. Folding's not bad but is much worse than raising.

[dimseven]

akishore said:

pot's small, reverse implied odds are decent here

Eh, not if You know how to fold to a turn raise.

[dimseven]

Smasharoo said:

This is an easy raise.Eeeasy.Calling's horrible. Folding's not bad but is much worse than raising.

But the size of the pot? It's small...

[Smasharoo]

But the size of the pot? It's small...This is a good reason to fold a flush draw or middle pair here. It's a terrible reason to fold top pair three handed. Terrible.Your hand is better than KK here.

[dimseven]

Smasharoo said:

But the size of the pot? It's small...This is a good reason to fold a flush draw or middle pair here. It's a terrible reason to fold top pair three handed. Terrible.Your hand is better than KK here.

Yeah Aseem said folding, not me... I don't like folding like I said earlier. But I was thinking that a call isn't bad. I thought calling could be 2nd best, but not bad.

[wrto4556]

easy raise preflop. even easier raise on the flop.

[Actuary]

akishore said:

i raise this PF (you should be raising almost any two cards if you post in the CO and it folds over to you... the pot odds are astronomical).since you didn't, we have a small pot on the flop, and i actually fold to this bet.if it was raised pre-flop, and someone bet out, then you should be raising.pot's small, reverse implied odds are decent here, not a big deal to fold.aseem

Isn't it worth a raise to get the "button".We don't have to worry about much about raising behind us, and we get it HU 80% of the time.

[KDawgCometh]

akishore said:

since you didn't, we have a small pot on the flop, and i actually fold to this bet.if it was raised pre-flop, and someone bet out, then you should be raising.pot's small, reverse implied odds are decent here, not a big deal to fold.aseem

uhhh, do you see how your statements contradict each other? Because of the small unraised pot, it is unlikely that we have reversed implied odds. Stop playing vaginal poker. This flop needs to be raised BTW

[akishore]

KDawgCometh said:

akishore said:

since you didn't, we have a small pot on the flop, and i actually fold to this bet.if it was raised pre-flop, and someone bet out, then you should be raising.pot's small, reverse implied odds are decent here, not a big deal to fold.aseem

uhhh, do you see how your statements contradict each other? Because of the small unraised pot, it is unlikely that we have reversed implied odds. Stop playing vaginal poker. This flop needs to be raised BTW

i don't understand how it's unlikely that we have reverse implied odds here because the pot is smaller.right out of SSHE:1. the pot is small.2. you are still on the preflop or flop betting rounds. that is, there are still several big bets to go before the showdown.3. you have a weak made hand that may be best now, but is easy to draw out on.i think it's close between raising and folding, and i just prefer folding since this pot is small and i'd rather not be put to the test of whether my marginal hand is best. if i raise, i'll be obligated to bet the turn most times, for example.while the fact that we have a pair of aces (no overcards can come to beat us) leans it toward playing/raising, we still have no redraws, and when we're behind, we're drawing to three outs at best (assuming our opponent doesn't/won't have two pair by the turn).can you explain exactly how you came to the conclusion that we have less reverse implied odds when the pot is small? that seems a little illogical when a key part of RIO is a small pot.aseem