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[case ace]

Yeah, so the amazon book i got was harrington vol 2 not 1. I know i'm a dumas s. I'm thinking about returing it or at least just buying 1 first. Do i need to read vol 1 first? I figure it might be a little bit of beginner stuff and i 've already read a ton on tourney poker, but i just got SS2 and have reading material to wait for 1. What do you guys think who have read it? Do i HAVE to read 1 so i won't miss out? should i wait to read vol 2? Is vol 1 mostly beginner stuff? I'm most intrested in the inflection points and don't think that is covered in vol 1 and its not crucial to read 1 to get it. even a brief synopsis or link about vol 1 would be awesome. thanksInput please..... :-)

[Kaedin]

they cover two different aspects of play. HoH V1 is very good, i would pick it up.

[case ace]

Kaedin said:

they cover two different aspects of play. HoH V1 is very good, i would pick it up.

yeah, i'm thinking 1 covers what many other books cover, starting requirements, first rounds of play, basics of bluffing, etc... what is covered in any book. Is that thinking wrong?

[Pug_Fugly]

case ace said:

Kaedin said:

they cover two different aspects of play. HoH V1 is very good, i would pick it up.

yeah, i'm thinking 1 covers what many other books cover, starting requirements, first rounds of play, basics of bluffing, etc... what is covered in any book. Is that thinking wrong?

Correct, with lots of emphasis on Pot odds analysis.

[Kaedin]

instead of writing a review, here's the table of contensts. Should give you the basics of what the book covers, and you can just assume its well written:1. The game of nl he2. Playing styles and starting requirements3. Reading the table4. Pot odds and hand analysis5. Betting before the flop6. Betting after the flop7. Betting on fourth and fifth streetKeep in mind, the book is around 400 pages, so its fairly in depth. I don't really think it's a 'general knowledge book' after the first chapter or 2.

[Meatwad]

if you read them backwards they reveal tells on all the major tourney players!

[copernicus]

other books. There are some discussions of thought processes that help organize your approach to tournament play that i havent seen anywhere else.Vol 2 is, unfortunately, very very good. There are a lot of end game principles that took me years of playing to learn and discover on my own playing in online tourneys, that he lays out. It is an essential part of any library for all but seasoned pros.

[case ace]

copernicus said:

other books. There are some discussions of thought processes that help organize your approach to tournament play that i havent seen anywhere else.Vol 2 is, unfortunately, very very good. There are a lot of end game principles that took me years of playing to learn and discover on my own playing in online tourneys, that he lays out. It is an essential part of any library for all but seasoned pros.

Quick review.i can not empahsis what dog cra.p all other tourney poker books are compared to this book. I think we need a cover up to not let this get out. I would not call myself a seasoned pro, but i have been playing for almost 4 years and have about a 60% sng "in the money" %. And this is still essential. Even the endgame that I follow, which is very similar, now has real #'s to back up the play. I will read Vol. one, although may not find it as impressive

[nutzbuster]

It starts rather basic but gets much better towards the end, pretty much stopping where Vol. 2 starts.Wouldn't hurt to read it...no one has ever been criticized for learning TOO much.A growing problem/issue that I find these days is that everyone is reading the same books and many players are beginning to play the same way (at least the better players out there). The insights and advice in todays poker books initially meant a big competitive edge, but mainly when no one else knew about them. But now most of these books have been read by most serious players and many of the so called "secrets" are now out. I know from my experiences (all B&M casinos) that winning is tougher now than it was 4 years ago.Yeah, there will always be plenty of fresh fish flowing into the poker sea but I find this current knowledge boom to be an interesting situation. Best...

[copernicus]

nutzbuster said:

A growing problem/issue that I find these days is that everyone is reading the same books and many players are beginning to play the same way (at least the better players out there). The insights and advice in todays poker books initially meant a big competitive edge, but mainly when no one else knew about them. But now most of these books have been read by most serious players and many of the so called "secrets" are now out. I know from my experiences (all B&M casinos) that winning is tougher now than it was 4 years ago.Yeah, there will always be plenty of fresh fish flowing into the poker sea but I find this current knowledge boom to be an interesting situation.  Best...

I agree, its one of the most frustrating things about vol 2. The key, I think, is to recognize those who have read and are applying what theyve read, and adjusting your reads on that basis. For example, significantly lowering your calling standards against "red zone" all-ins.

[inz]

This is the best book I've ever read and it's a must read. Ever since I've read this book and applying it to the game I've significantly improved. Definitely worth the money especially when you make it back and more! So what if people read the book, you can only do so much with skill until luck kicks in.

[copernicus]

inz said:

This is the best book I've ever read and it's a must read. Ever since I've read this book and applying it to the game I've significantly improved. Definitely worth the money especially when you make it back and more! So what if people read the book, you can only do so much with skill until luck kicks in.

So what? If the skill level ever evened out, why play?

[Ebonwoulfe]

The new trick with books is to read as many as you can, and try to get people to tell you what books they've read. Ask them like you're looking for a good book, and they'll probably tell you their favorite. You get a big chunk of info on their play style almost immediately. If you know the knowledge they're using, then you can create your own counter-punch.