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[wrto4556]

MP3 is a good player. He posts at 2+2 very frequently. He is aware of postition, obviously.15/30 (9 handed)Folded to the MP3 who open raises, I have K ,7 in the CO.what do I do?

[cdddc75]

Three betting to isolate against a good player (with position) on that hand is dumb.Not enough value in cold donking here in the hopes of catching a flush.Easy fold?

[KDawgCometh]

what do you put the HiJack's raising range at right there, is he likely to open there with a lot of hands, or is he gonna be tighter from the Hijaqck, and doesn't steal from the HiJack at that much of a frequencyedit: do you also think that you can out play him post flop, or are the post flop skills about even

[harvey]

folding seems like the"obvious answer" to me. Since this is a "fun post", I'd imagine there is some interesting logic behind the real answer.But, since I can't think of any, put me down for fold.

[wrto4556]

KDawgCometh said:

what do you put the HiJack's raising range at right there, is he likely to  open there with a lot of hands, or is he gonna be tighter from the Hijaqck, and doesn't steal from the HiJack at that much of a frequency

he's a 2fer, what do you think? he's opening from the CO with much marginal hands.

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edit: do you also think that you can out play him post flop, or are the post flop skills about even

probably even. id like to say im better but he's good.

[wrto4556]

cdddc75 said:

Three betting to isolate against a good player (with position) on that hand is dumb.Not enough value in cold donking here in the hopes of catching a flush.Easy fold?

could you expand a bit?

[KDawgCometh]

wrto4556 said:

KDawgCometh said:

what do you put the HiJack's raising range at right there, is he likely to  open there with a lot of hands, or is he gonna be tighter from the Hijaqck, and doesn't steal from the HiJack at that much of a frequency

he's a 2fer, what do you think? he's opening from the CO with much marginal hands.

yes, but not all 2fers are made alike. LIke do you see PokerBob making a marginal raise there, do you see Stheif or Shant making a marginal raise there, ya know what I'm sayin

[Mr Monkey]

I would fold. I dont see much reason to get in MP3's way with that hand.

[cdddc75]

If he loves stealing as much as we do, then we could put him to the test by reraising preflop. At 15/30 nine handed, I don't think our K7s beats what he's got. You play that level a lot more than I do though.I haven't got a clue why we would call here. If we're not folding, we must be raising.

[wrto4556]

KDawgCometh said:

wrto4556 said:

KDawgCometh said:

what do you put the HiJack's raising range at right there, is he likely to  open there with a lot of hands, or is he gonna be tighter from the Hijaqck, and doesn't steal from the HiJack at that much of a frequency

he's a 2fer, what do you think? he's opening from the CO with much marginal hands.

yes, but not all 2fers are made alike. LIke do you see PokerBob making a marginal raise there, do you see Stheif or Shant making a marginal raise there, ya know what I'm sayin

true that. Pbob opens with AK while stheif looks down at J7s after he puts the chips in and is happy with his raise.he's going to be opening pretty light.

[wrto4556]

cdddc75 said:

At 15/30 nine handed, I don't think our K7s beats what he's got

what range of hands do you put him on?

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I haven't got a clue why we would call here.  If we're not folding, we must be raising.

i think folding and calling are pretty close to the same thing.

[wrto4556]

Mr Monkey said:

I would fold. I dont see much reason to get in  MP3's way with that hand.

you havnt convinced me.

[HtotheNootch]

If I have enough info about him that he's a known stealer, I might call depending upon the other players. I don't think I'm strong enough to want to play it heads up. Personally, what I'd like to do is see a flop against this guy and if I hit, then I can take a lot of money off him. I don't hate additional players in because if I pick any up, it makes my decision easier. I either hit the flop well or get out.Absent additional info, I say muck that.

[Mr Monkey]

wrto4556 said:

Mr Monkey said:

I would fold. I dont see much reason to get in  MP3's way with that hand.

you havnt convinced me.

you have no money in the pot. you are probably beat. K7s IMO isnt a hand u want play after someone opened with a raise unless they are weak and a bad post flop player

[cdddc75]

wrto4556 said:

i think folding and calling are pretty close to the same thing.

So you think calling is 0 EV (or reasonably close)?I put him on a range of any pocket pair, Ax, Kx, QJ-Q8. I think we're behind quite a bit more often than we're ahead. And we're dominated WAY more often than we dominate here.

[monoatomic]

Raise.9 handed and folded around to a player in that position is going to bet a lot of hands. AK-A2, KQ-K7, QJ-Q8, J9, J10, probably any suited connector 78, 89, 910, any pocket 22-AA.Three betting will probably isolate just you and him. You have position. If you are inclined to believe the raise is a steal instead of a good hand raise, he will be aware your 3-bet is an isolation bet and you probably have a hand between A10-A6, KJ-K7, QJ, Q10, and possibly J10-J8 suited. After that it's whoever catches/out plays the other post flop.

[Jordan]

i have a very basic reason as to why one would "fold"...K7 is a trash hand. There.Now, in this instance, playing a player....I s'pose you could put a move on him, or whatever and try to outplay him. So I dunno if you'd rather call here or raise. If I was playing, I'd probably raise and get out the blinds.I don't play 15/30, so at 3/6 or w/e below, I'm mucking this trash hand.- Jordan

[screech]

What does he think of your play? Does he know you will isolate here with marginal hands, or does he respect a 3-bet from you?If he respects your 3-bet, go for it, but don't get carried away with this play as he will surely catch on. If he knows you will occassionally isolate here, I'd probably just fold. K7 suited seems a bit too weak for our purpose - too much can go wrong. I'd be more inclined to make this play with K10s.I have no experience playing at this level, so take my advice with a grain of salt.

[wrto4556]

really, it was a move Kdawg pulled against me at the FCP table and I really liked it.of coarse he's not 3-betting this every time. Just for metagame purposes.but I ran a few simulations, and it seems like a +EV 3-bet...if you don't get carried away.K7s is winning 45% of the time against my hi jack raising standards. But he is going to take the pot when i miss with something like A6s or 33 pretty often even though i have the best hand. I would expect him to 3-bet with no less than AJs.When he 3-bet me I didn't really like it at first. But then, we started talking about it on AIM, and I couldn't figure out a reason why a 3-bet there would be wrong. Surely, if he did it every time, i would take my pairs and A-high hands to showdown more liberally and play them more aggressively to keep keith from taking all the initiative.EDIT: Now, im going to still take those hands to showdown even when his 3-bets are legit.just thought it was a little interesting.

[justblaze]

wrto, question for ya: are you playing 15-30 yet? i see a lot of 10-20 hands you are posting. you must have made a big rush since we did that whole rush to 5k thing (which i just finally hit ) how did you build it up so quick? i guess playing full time will help that, im still working 9-5 (until friday )