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[Mattnxtc]

PokerStars 0.50/1.00 Hold'em (5 handed) converterPreflop: Hero is Button with [Jc], [Ac]. UTG calls, 1 fold, UTG calls, Hero calls.Flop: (9.50 SB) [Ts], [7s], [Jh] (3 players)BB bets, BB calls, UTG calls.Turn: (7.75 BB) [5s] (3 players)BB bets, UTG folds, Hero calls.River: (9.75 BB) [2d] (2 players)BB bets, Hero calls.Final Pot: 11.75 BBNow i raised the flop to see how strong he was and him just callin led me to think he didnt have an over pair..yet he kept leading out..should i have kept reraising the turn and river? i felt i was probably ahead but he played it wierd

[custom36]

I would raise the turn. If you get 3-bet, I'm pretty sure you're beat. If you get called, see what he does on the river.

[Mattnxtc]

yeah my read on him wasnt for having me beat...but he just kept betting...fish always confuse me with thier play

[custom36]

Mattnxtc said:

yeah my read on him wasnt for having me beat...but he just kept betting...fish always confuse me with thier play

If you think you're ahead, BET. Just leading out and calling isn't getting you anywhere - make him define his hand.

[Don Giovanni]

Custom36 said:

I would raise the turn. If you get 3-bet, I'm pretty sure you're beat. If you get called, see what he does on the river.

flush draw hit on the turn though. that would explain him leading out again

[custom36]

Don Giovanni said:

Custom36 said:

I would raise the turn. If you get 3-bet, I'm pretty sure you're beat. If you get called, see what he does on the river.

flush draw hit on the turn though. that would explain him leading out again

No. Flush draw hit on the turn.

[KDawgCometh]

Custom36 said:

Don Giovanni said:

Custom36 said:

I would raise the turn. If you get 3-bet, I'm pretty sure you're beat. If you get called, see what he does on the river.

flush draw hit on the turn though. that would explain him leading out again

No. Flush draw hit on the turn.

that's what he said. I can't find a raise after he gaybets you on that turn, its time to playt wa/wb

[Absolute]

you played it right

[looshle]

With no read on your opponent, I don't see anything wrong calling down the turn and the river. You raised the flop and now he's betting into you, which wouldnt make much sense without having top pair beat. Of course a lot of people play horribly at this limit, but I don't think there's much value in raising here.

[TJ_Eckleburg]

I personally would raise the turn.I'm also surprised so many of you are advocating just calling the turn.Don't be afraid of monsters under the bed. It's still TPTK. If we got three-bet on the turn, that's a different story. But we don't even get a chance to find out if BB is feelin' froggy enough to 3-bet, because we just called.

[KDawgCometh]

TJ_Eckleburg said:

I personally would raise the turn.I'm also surprised so many of you are advocating just calling the turn.Don't be afraid of monsters under the bed. It's still TPTK. If we got three-bet on the turn, that's a different story. But we don't even get a chance to find out if BB is feelin' froggy enough to 3-bet, because we just called.

I'm never one to be afraid of monsters under the bed, but this is clearly a wa/wb situation when we get gaybet on that turn

[TJ_Eckleburg]

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I'm never one to be afraid of monsters under the bed, but this is clearly a wa/wb situation when we get gaybet on that turn

Definitely true. Whether you're overly aggressive like me or aggressive but somewhat cautious sometimes, getting gaybet when a draw hits sucks no matter what.I'd still raise the turn to find out though. But that's just me. I beat people over the head with my aggression.

[KDawgCometh]

TJ_Eckleburg said:

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I'm never one to be afraid of monsters under the bed, but this is clearly a wa/wb situation when we get gaybet on that turn

Definitely true. Whether you're overly aggressive like me or aggressive but somewhat cautious sometimes, getting gaybet when a draw hits sucks no matter what.I'd still raise the turn to find out though. But that's just me. I beat people over the head with my aggression.

trust me, I'm more aggressive than you, just ask anyone who has played with me. THis is a goodplace to extract as much as we can when we are ahead, and lose as little as we can when we are behind. If he is bluffing or trying to push through bottom pair, or 3rd PP then he will most likely fold to our raise, and we don't win anymore $$$, but if we let him continue to bet then we gain another BB, its really not rocket science

[TJ_Eckleburg]

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trust me, I'm more aggressive than you

The first time we ever played limit hold'em together was on a Partypoker Strategy table, and we played one notable pot.I had QQ, you had AK, and we capped it preflop, on the flop, and on the turn to a 10 high board. I bet/called the river, certain I was going to see either JJ, KK, or AA, and you turned up AK with no flush draws.I thought it was funny.

[GT123]

TJ_Eckleburg said:

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I'm never one to be afraid of monsters under the bed, but this is clearly a wa/wb situation when we get gaybet on that turn

Definitely true. Whether you're overly aggressive like me or aggressive but somewhat cautious sometimes, getting gaybet when a draw hits sucks no matter what.I'd still raise the turn to find out though. But that's just me. I beat people over the head with my aggression.

what exactly are you trying to find out that he has not already told you with the way he played this hand? Put him on a range of hands that he will 3-bet from the BB if he is not a LAG. AA, KK, QQ, JJ, TT, AK. You are only beating AK here, no point spewing more chips on information you already know. Remember on the turn it is already headsup, you don't have to worry about hand protection, and the value is pretty thin against a preflop BB 3-bettor. I would call down like OP did.Are you folding to a 3-bet TJ?

[brian67]

If you are saying that you are extremely aggressive, then the range of hands he may have 3 bet you with becomes much larger than AA, KK, QQ, JJ, 10 10, AK. This could easily have been a steal situation. Even players that are very tight will steal from the overly aggressive guy when they think they can get away with it. I say check-call this down and wait for a better spot to push your edge.

[GT123]

brian67 said:

If you are saying that you are extremely aggressive, then the range of hands he may have 3 bet you with becomes much larger than AA, KK, QQ, JJ, 10 10, AK. This could easily have been a steal situation. Even players that are very tight will steal from the overly aggressive guy when they think they can get away with it. I say check-call this down and wait for a better spot to push your edge.

OP never said he was extremely aggressive, and it is not a steal situation with a UTG limper.

[brian67]

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OP never said he was extremely aggressive, and it is not a steal situation with a UTG limper.

I guess i skimmed and neglected the UTG, but the range of hands is still not necessarily that small. But i do think the OP said that he himself was very aggressive, which was who i was talking about. Not everyone plays hands in position, this is one of the biggest problems of weaker players. Suited connectors for example could easily be involved here. But yes, if you do know that the UTG limper is solid, then you should be much more careful.

[TheIceman05]

KDawgCometh said:

that's what he said. I  can't find a raise after he gaybets you on that turn, its time to playt wa/wb

The gay-bet lead out means he's got the flush or 2-pair enough so that raising's not right. We don't care about "defining our hand" so much here. We care about winning the pot w/o getting smoked.Ice

[Mattnxtc]

first off i didnt have a particular read on the guy other then he wasnt a solid guy....I raised the flop to see strength...he didnt 3 bet so i figured i had him beat...the fishy thing happened when he led out next round again with no card higher than a jack coming...a few have said it and i agree...I should have continue to follow my read on him...though he could have a flush..but he was the raiser preflop so that narrows me thinkin he had suited cards...do yall agree?Any suggestions on what hand he could have?