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[CobaltBlue]

You guys know I'm generally good about hand histories...but it's been a few days and I don't feel like looking it up. That said, it's bothering me a bit. Suits don't matter.Bodog .10/.25 PLO (~9 handed)Cobalt is BB w/ AK66.Pre-flop:lots of limpers, Cobalt checksFlop: 767Cobalt pots, 2 callers, LP min-raises, Cobalt ?76 just doesn't seem likely given my holding. In the actual hand, I potted again. All the money got in on the flop with 3 of us. Neither had 76. Both had a 7. They also each had a queen. One spiked a T on the turn for the higher boat. CardPlayer's calculator says I was a little over 50% on the flop. Basically...what the heck do I do here? Should I just fold to the re-raise even if I'm pretty sure I've got the best hand when I know that my opponents will not let go of trip 7s?Let's say I call the re-raise. Just hope a low card comes off? What if that T shows up on the turn?

[ahosang]

Underfulls are dangerous things to hold in PLO.You want a cheap showdown. Fold the hand to heavy betting. Remember you may be drawing stone dead ....

[strategy]

At higher limits, I think the right move might be to fold to the re-raise. You're probably not going to like whatever shows up on the turn, and the chances are greater that someone does have 76 or even 77.In the smaller limits, someone could just be going wild with AAxx-QQxx or they could both be on 7xxx. IMO, there's too many ways for them to wrongfully think they have the best hand, and even if you don't win more than 50% of the time, that's 50% in a three-way pot. It ain't a clamp, but it's still a very nice position to be in. Get as much money in the pot as possible. They will give you action without 76 or 77 too often to worry about your house not being the nut full, IMO.

[CobaltBlue]

The fact that each of them were sticking was a sign to me that they each had a 7 (so no quads). I'm aware that underfulls are dangerous, but I think folding here at these lower limits is weak.

[Nutcracker]

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CardPlayer's calculator says I was a little over 50% on the flop. Basically...what the heck do I do here? Should I just fold to the re-raise even if I'm pretty sure I've got the best hand when I know that my opponents will not let go of trip 7s

Umm, I know you know what equity is. Reread what you just wrote and you can answer that I think.

[Smasharoo]

but I think folding here at these lower limits is weak.Not really, because you get paid of people drawing dead.For instance, if I hae 77 and the flop is 767, 66 might pot it....

[strategy]

Smasharoo said:

but I think folding here at these lower limits is weak.Not really, because you get paid of people drawing dead.For instance, if I hae 77 and the flop is 767, 66 might pot it....

What? I understand the second sentence, it's the first that is confusing me. You're drunk, right? You must be drunk.

[CobaltBlue]

Nut, I feel like this is a push or fold situation. After the flop, my visibility is likely terrible. The question will be, "Did they pair one of their kickers?"And smash, you're advocating that a fold isn't that bad?

[Smasharoo]

And smash, you're advocating that a fold isn't that bad?Yes.In a game where you'll repeadetly get paid off with just massive edges, like people drawing litterally dead, or to one out, playing much smaller edges becomes almost pointless.I think you're underestimating the number of possible redraws out there as well. Any over card hitting here has you potentially dead to a 6. This min raise in a better game almost allways means 77. Here your read was correct, and you played it fine. You got the money in ahead and lost, that happens. Why you'd want to take that risk to add a marginal amount to your bottomline I'm not so sure about. Nut peaddling is boring, but it's where it's at in LL PLO. I think your flop bet is fine, I'd fold to the raise, but I'd be wrong here.

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Smasharoo said:

And smash, you're advocating that a fold isn't that bad?Yes.In a game where you'll repeadetly get paid off with just massive edges, like people drawing litterally dead, or to one out, playing much smaller edges becomes almost pointless.I think you're underestimating the number of possible redraws out there as well. Any over card hitting here has you potentially dead to a 6. This min raise in a better game almost allways means 77. Here your read was correct, and you played it fine. You got the money in ahead and lost, that happens. Why you'd want to take that risk to add a marginal amount to your bottomline I'm not so sure about. Nut peaddling is boring, but it's where it's at in LL PLO. I think your flop bet is fine, I'd fold to the raise, but I'd be wrong here.

Thanks for the explanation. In your experience, what level on party has the better players in PLO (ie 200, 500+)?

[Smasharoo]

Thanks for the explanation. In your experience, what level on party has the better players in PLO (ie 200, 500+)?I find it's all pretty soft untill about the $400 game.I don't really spend much time playing hi only, though, so your milage may vary.

[strategy]

Smasharoo said:

Thanks for the explanation. In your experience, what level on party has the better players in PLO (ie 200, 500+)?I find it's all pretty soft untill about the $400 game.I don't really spend much time playing hi only, though, so your milage may vary.

I may have been a jerk in the past, but I like ya smash. Thanks again, I hope you'll check out my question threads in the future.

[Rocketwadster]

I also do not play much PLO hi only, so take this with a grain of salt.Seems to me that you took your shot with the underfull when you potted it, but once it got raised (after two other callers), I think you have to let it go. May seem weak, butyou aren't guaranteed to only be calling the min-re-raise there (due to the other callers). You know that at least one of them has a 7 (or maybe 2 of them), and even if two of them have a 7, they have many outs to beat your underfull (ie. a holding of 7 8 9 10 would have 9 outs twice to beat you, and if two of them have a 7, there could be as many as 18 different cards that can beat you, with two chances to catch one of them). Not to mention that if someone has a higher pocket pair they have outs to beat you there also.What a mouthfull that was, but hopefully you understand what I am trying to convey, in that even though you may think you were the favorite going in, collectively your opponents were probably the favorite to beat your underfull. :wink: