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[CobaltBlue]

I don't think I've ever had an opponent pull this line on me...Bodog .50/1 No Limit (8 handed)Cobalt is button w/ 7 7 . No reads.Cobalt has $105.25BB has $90.75Pre-flop:2 folds, MP2 calls, 1 fold, CO calls, Cobalt calls, SB calls, BB checksPot: $5.00Flop (5 players): J 4 7 :heart:SB checks, BB checks, MP2 checks, CO bets $3.25, Cobalt calls, SB folds, BB min-raises to $6.50, CO folds, Cobalt callsPot: $21.25Turn (2 players): 9 :heart:BB checks, Cobalt bets $10, BB min-raises to $20, Cobalt callsPot: $61.25River (2 players): 3 :club:BB checks, Cobalt bets $30, BB min-raises to $60, Cobalt re-raises all-in, BB calls all-inFinal Pot: $184.75I think my smooth call on flop is questionable, but the board wasn't coordinated enough to scare me. If CO had stayed in, I would've probably put in a re-re-raise. Other possibility was putting BB all-in on the turn, but he seemed to like betting, so I let him take the "lead". Any guesses on opponent's holdings? Not terribly difficult.

[econ_tim]

I would play a set faster. BB could have anything, so I like reraising him on the flop by about the size of the pot.

[Actuary]

JJ ?no pre-flop raising donkey ( him, not u )if that's true..may I ask if your teets hurt after this hand? :evil: :x

[Mattnxtc]

pocket 4s come to mind too...unless he really was gonna risk it and limped with jacks...i cant seem him playin that aggressive with 2 pair..but hey ive seen wierder things done before

[CobaltBlue]

econ_tim said:

I would play a set faster.  BB could have anything, so I like reraising him on the flop by about the size of the pot.

There's no flush draw on the flop. I don't see him check-raising the gut-shot that comes in on the turn.I also don't see him check-raising the possible OESD twice.Don't worry, Actuary. He had 44. :-)

[squizie]

44 is the perfect hand for him to have in this situation(from you point of view anyways)

[Mattnxtc]

u would think with the aggression u showed he would realize hes probably beat..but hey..i guess we wouldnt make money if it wasnt for people like him

[CobaltBlue]

squizie said:

44 is the perfect hand for him to have in this situation(from you point of view anyways)

From my perspective, he had JJ or 44...with 44 more likely.

[Diboss]

Shocked he continued betting on the river, or was it just obvious to US that he was beat?

[Actuary]

interesting post because it gives me a chance to raise this question.If you were dealt 44 and he had 77...how would the hand have played differently?just for all those that think he donked chips off to you.Wasn't he just in a bad situation.

[strategy]

Actuary said:

interesting post because it gives me a chance to raise this question.If you were dealt 44 and he had 77...how would the hand have played differently?just for all those that think he donked chips off to you.Wasn't he just in a bad situation.

I have to agree. It's very easy to look down on somebody who flopped a set under yours and paid you off--you'll never make money from sets in NL if you don't play them like they're the best hand if the board is completely uncoordinated.

[CobaltBlue]

Oh, I completely agree. Sets on a board without a flush or obvious straight are almost impossible to get away from. It's really more of a matter of how much you're going to lose. In my opponent's shoes...I check-raise the flop and bet the turn. Let's say I took his line through the river check though...I'm likely calling, but I'm not quite sure that I'm going for the 3rd check raise.You'll notice that I never called this guy a donkey. I just thought the line he took was unusual.

[Mattnxtc]

i would almost have to slow down...with the size the bets were getting to i hope id realize that something is wrong and that my set is not good...but then again in the heat of the hand i dont always think :?

[Steppin Razor]

Why didn't you play back at him on the flop or even the turn?As to the other guy, CobaltBlue played it perfectly against lower set. There's no way the opp. would know his set was no good until the re-raise all in. Everything else looked like CobaltBlue had TPTK or two pair.However, the opp. seems to be more interested in being cutesy than winning the hand. Check raising the min 3 times? That's asking to be beaten. Any serious bet and the opp. gets a better idea of CB's hand.

[potpumper43]

Actually, the river card completed the best straight draw on the flop (56), so it wasn't nearly as safe as you'd think. Some people like to play a good draw as strong as a made hand in NL.

[CobaltBlue]

pot, I'm aware that the 65 draw completed. That said, I've never seen someone check-raise twice with the OESD. If he was going to play that strongly, he probably would've just gone all-in on the turn.

[potpumper43]

I'm sure, just throwing it out there, discretion on the river in NL is much more important than in Limit.

[Rocketwadster]

I just got Volume 2 of Harrington on Hold-em, and haven't gotten too far along in it, but did read that he states if you are unlucky enough to have a set vs set situation (where you are the smaller set), you cannot get away from it (unless the board is crazy - this hand wasn't one of those crazy boards). Harrington even went so far as to call anyone (under his breath mind you) who would state that they got away from it an idiot.The only thing i think your opponent did wrong was the min-raises.I also think however that you erred in not putting your opponent to a decision sooner than later, as you ran the risk of giving free cards that could have beat you very easily. :wink: