15 replies to this topic

[Randy Reed]

MP1 is kinda loose, but i figure him for wheel cards or weak A, MP2 in new but called first few hands without much. BB is solid agg.PokerStars 1/2 Hold'em (7 handed) converterPreflop: Hero is Button with [Th], [As]. 1 fold, Hero calls, SB completes, BB checks.Flop: (5 SB) [Kh], [Jc], [Ah] (5 players)SB checks, BB checks, MP1 bets, MP2 calls, Hero calls, SB folds, BB folds.Turn: (4 BB) [8s] (3 players)MP1 bets, MP2 calls, Hero calls.River: (7 BB) [3d] (3 players)MP1 checks, MP2 checks, Hero bets, MP1 calls, MP2 calls.Final Pot: 10 BB

[Randy Reed]

My question really is would you be raising pre flop, the flop, or turn or any?

[cursive34]

i wouldnt raise preflop but i would raise the flop, you got a gutshot and top pair decent kicker. if you get 3-bet i would fold UI on the turn.

[Steppin Razor]

I'd raise the flop. He (MP1) limped in, so I don't think if he had an Ace it would be J or better. I'm guessing either a pair of Ks or Js. The bet on the turn leans me toward Ks, and the check on the river seems like he's worried about why you two are still in (ie you must have an Ace). If you raise on the flop, he'll probably give you the lead, and maybe fold a J on the turn to a bet.

[TheIceman05]

Raise the flop.Raze entire towns.RZA is awesome.IcePS- Seriously, you gotta raise this flopIce

[checkymcfold]

i think we raise both preflop and postflop.preflop: at with position? that's a very nice hand to a bunch of limpers...postflop: top pair and a draw? doesn't get a whole lot better than that...EDIT: i don't read posts very well, apparently.

[DKE_XP120]

raise the flop

[CoolHandLaw]

I'm raising preflop on the button, raise the flop and if the flop gets 3 bet, i'm inclined to check/call to the river

[Rocketwadster]

I would probably raise the flop 18 times out of 20, but why are we doing that? Flush draw isn't going anywhere, we may be against a straight already (sh, it happens). What are the differences between this hand where people are saying to raise it, and the other hand where people are saying raising the flop is crazy (the pocket kings one)? People say to raise on the flop to define their hand, protect their hand, etc. but I am failing to see much of a difference between these two hands, which are getting much different answers. :?

[CobaltBlue]

Rocket, as I understand it from that other thread, raising to define our hand in wa/wb isn't particularly helpful. In this hand, we likely have the best hand. Therefore, we're shoving in as many bets as possible until we hit resistance.

[DCWildcat]

Rocketwadster said:

I would probably raise the flop 18 times out of 20, but why are we doing that? Flush draw isn't going anywhere, we may be against a straight already (sh, it happens). What are the differences between this hand where people are saying to raise it, and the other hand where people are saying raising the flop is crazy (the pocket kings one)? People say to raise on the flop to define their hand, protect their hand, etc. but I am failing to see much of a difference between these two hands, which are getting much different answers. :?

I haven't read the post you're referencing, but we raise the flop here for because:1) He's probably ahead and we want money from flushes and straights that don't hit.2) Might clean up Arag outs. (don't want some dolt hitting aces up on us).I'll go read that other post and edit this mofo

[DCWildcat]

The KK hand is a nasty little bitch. This one may not be.We have important outs to a gutshot here, and there's a good chance AT will hold up unimproved. There aren't too many cards threatening us here. In the KK hand, there's a ludicrous number of hearts abounding. Nearly every card out there scares us, and we're often way behind anyway.

[Steppin Razor]

Rocketwadster said:

I would probably raise the flop 18 times out of 20, but why are we doing that? Flush draw isn't going anywhere, we may be against a straight already (sh, it happens). What are the differences between this hand where people are saying to raise it, and the other hand where people are saying raising the flop is crazy (the pocket kings one)? People say to raise on the flop to define their hand, protect their hand, etc. but I am failing to see much of a difference between these two hands, which are getting much different answers. :?

I suggested raising because like others have said, the Hero of this story is ahead on the flop. Nobody represented 2 Ks or Js PF, but if someone has one K or J (like MP1), they'll probably put the extra bet in. I'd probably even raise the turn unless I thoguht he might be playing K8. In the pocket Ks thread, a flush is out on the flop with an Ace. At best KK is a third best hand.

[Rocketwadster]

So, like I first posted in this thread, I advocate raising, which seems to be the consensus. I still don't entirely agree on the kings thread to not raise after the flop,, but I can appreciate the reasoning people are providing. :wink:

[RISEorFall]

Raise PreFlop. Since you didn't raise PF with a good starting hand, raise the flop when your good starting hand hits. I can't really see why you're even asking this to be honest...

[Randy Reed]

I guess I asked to confirm I mucked it up pretty bad and that's what I thought the forum wass for. I don't know why, but I could see one of them holding 2 pair or a straight. I agree though, I just have raised preflop, as I went into thinking I had the best A, and raised the flop as well. As it turned out, I didn't get sucked out on so I didn't lose alot with them hanging till the river, but I should have been more aggressive. And thanks to everyone who responded.