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[justblaze]

Smasharoo said:

Despite this, we can all agree that betting on sports, and games like blackjack and roulette are most definitely gambling. So, it is clear that the textbook definition of gambling is incomplete.No.It's clear you're persuig a pointless semantic argument in an attempt to appear "Deep".Just go smoke some pot and expound to your buddies that the universe might just be an atom in a blade of grass in another universe or something and stop wasting our time with this crap.

hah. I really couldnt give two shits about whether or not you think im deep. To me, its not a pointless semantic argument. This issue has personal relevance to me, for reasons i dont care to divulge. Im sure it affects some other posters here, too. No one is asking you to respond. If the issue is too complicated for you, just go back to quipping one liners at those asking how to play AK from UTG. So far, you've given me the same argument as my mother: "its gambling, i dont have to explain why. its obviously gambling."

[Royal_Tour]

Smasharoo said:

well, some moron happens to be a significant part of our society. Nothing is certain in life. you put a dollar into a vending machine, are you certain a snack will come out?If you take definitions so literally, you couldnt tell me you are certain. And yet, we dont see GA reps handing out flyers at your local pepsi machine.The salient point is that you're not betting a dollar that the snack will come out.Understand?

Nothing is certain in life. Of course this is correct., Thats because only Miss Cleo knows whats gonna go down.As far as your dollar in a vending machine., With proper actions, you can be refunded for your lost dollar., Poker however. no matter how much u complain to the site or floor manager, you wont get your money back because of a suck out

[krup24]

Blaze u have smoked urself retarded

[TS Clark]

Gambling is wagering money on the outcome of an event which is uncertain. Yes.Also, as another poster rightly pointed out, lots of "legitimate" ventures are as much or more of a "gamble" as playing poker. Stock trading, opening a small business, skydiving, etc.. It's just social stigma (and numerous genuinely addicted people playing the games) that makes people have some of the feelings they have.As I told my wife once: "I'm taking a lot less risk with my money playing poker than Guy X is opening yet another restaurant in a strip mall."

[JBradburn6]

To wager money on an uncertain outcome.Is sky diving gambling? No, the person sky diving takes the risk for reasons other than monetary interests, as the person who eats the sandwich does. In my opinion, gambling must involve money.

[justblaze]

Smasharoo said:

well, some moron happens to be a significant part of our society. Nothing is certain in life. you put a dollar into a vending machine, are you certain a snack will come out?If you take definitions so literally, you couldnt tell me you are certain. And yet, we dont see GA reps handing out flyers at your local pepsi machine.The salient point is that you're not betting a dollar that the snack will come out.Understand?

no, i dont. why arent i betting a dollar? i put in a dollar, with the expectation that some item of a value greater than $1 will come out. It might not. The snack must be of greater personal value to me than $1 because i am not indifferent to which snack comes out. some have higher value, some lesser value.

[Royal_Tour]

justblaze said:

Smasharoo said:

Despite this, we can all agree that betting on sports, and games like blackjack and roulette are most definitely gambling. So, it is clear that the textbook definition of gambling is incomplete.No.It's clear you're persuig a pointless semantic argument in an attempt to appear "Deep".Just go smoke some pot and expound to your buddies that the universe might just be an atom in a blade of grass in another universe or something and stop wasting our time with this crap.

hah. I really couldnt give two censored about whether or not you think im deep. To me, its not a pointless semantic argument. This issue has personal relevance to me, for reasons i dont care to divulge. Im sure it affects some other posters here, too. No one is asking you to respond. If the issue is too complicated for you, just go back to quipping one liners at those asking how to play AK from UTG. So far, you've given me the same argument as my mother: "its gambling, i dont have to explain why. its obviously gambling."

Blaze I understand where your coming from, My poker related business venture has been on IDLE because of the Ontario Government.And they're views on Poker and other casino games is all the same. "Gambling".. and like your mother, the government only has to tell you once.Its gambling, because we say so.

[justblaze]

JBradburn6 said:

To wager money on an uncertain outcome.Is sky diving gambling? No, the person sky diving takes the risk for reasons other than monetary interests, as the person who eats the sandwich does. In my opinion, gambling must involve money.

so refute the logic that post-secondary education is gambling in the same sense that poker is.

[krup24]

Gambling does not have to involve money. FACT.

[justblaze]

Royal_Tour said:

justblaze said:

Smasharoo said:

Despite this, we can all agree that betting on sports, and games like blackjack and roulette are most definitely gambling. So, it is clear that the textbook definition of gambling is incomplete.No.It's clear you're persuig a pointless semantic argument in an attempt to appear "Deep".Just go smoke some pot and expound to your buddies that the universe might just be an atom in a blade of grass in another universe or something and stop wasting our time with this crap.

hah. I really couldnt give two censored about whether or not you think im deep. To me, its not a pointless semantic argument. This issue has personal relevance to me, for reasons i dont care to divulge. Im sure it affects some other posters here, too. No one is asking you to respond. If the issue is too complicated for you, just go back to quipping one liners at those asking how to play AK from UTG. So far, you've given me the same argument as my mother: "its gambling, i dont have to explain why. its obviously gambling."

Blaze I understand where your coming from, My poker related business venture has been on IDLE because of the Ontario Government.And they're views on Poker and other casino games is all the same. "Gambling".. and like your mother, the government only has to tell you once.Its gambling, because we say so.

the interesting thing about that is that the Quebec government refuses to allow poker in its licensed casinos. the reason? "theres too much skill involved." they're afraid average joe has too little a chance of winning, and this will affect their bottom line. no one likes to be a consistent loser.

[Royal_Tour]

justblaze said:

Smasharoo said:

well, some moron happens to be a significant part of our society. Nothing is certain in life. you put a dollar into a vending machine, are you certain a snack will come out?If you take definitions so literally, you couldnt tell me you are certain. And yet, we dont see GA reps handing out flyers at your local pepsi machine.The salient point is that you're not betting a dollar that the snack will come out.Understand?

no, i dont. why arent i betting a dollar? i put in a dollar, with the expectation that some item of a value greater than $1 will come out. It might not. The snack must be of greater personal value to me than $1 because i am not indifferent to which snack comes out. some have higher value, some lesser value.

No. you are exhanging for goods., The value of 1$ is what the candy bar is worth.Its like trading 25 , 1 dollar chips for 1 25., its not gamblng., and if you want to eat that 25 dollar chip. .go for it., Your idea that some items have higher value is a personal preferance to types of snacks.

[justblaze]

Royal_Tour said:

justblaze said:

Smasharoo said:

well, some moron happens to be a significant part of our society. Nothing is certain in life. you put a dollar into a vending machine, are you certain a snack will come out?If you take definitions so literally, you couldnt tell me you are certain. And yet, we dont see GA reps handing out flyers at your local pepsi machine.The salient point is that you're not betting a dollar that the snack will come out.Understand?

no, i dont. why arent i betting a dollar? i put in a dollar, with the expectation that some item of a value greater than $1 will come out. It might not. The snack must be of greater personal value to me than $1 because i am not indifferent to which snack comes out. some have higher value, some lesser value.

No. you are exhanging for goods., The value of 1$ is what the candy bar is worth.Its like trading 25 , 1 dollar chips for 1 25., its not gamblng., and if you want to eat that 25 dollar chip. .go for it., Your idea that some items have higher value is a personal preferance to types of snacks.

ok, but theres still a chance that i might not get that $1 worth of goods. i can expect it on a balance of probabilites, but i can also make the same statement of various combinations of cards in a poker game.

[Royal_Tour]

justblaze said:

Royal_Tour said:

justblaze said:

Smasharoo said:

well, some moron happens to be a significant part of our society. Nothing is certain in life. you put a dollar into a vending machine, are you certain a snack will come out?If you take definitions so literally, you couldnt tell me you are certain. And yet, we dont see GA reps handing out flyers at your local pepsi machine.The salient point is that you're not betting a dollar that the snack will come out.Understand?

no, i dont. why arent i betting a dollar? i put in a dollar, with the expectation that some item of a value greater than $1 will come out. It might not. The snack must be of greater personal value to me than $1 because i am not indifferent to which snack comes out. some have higher value, some lesser value.

No. you are exhanging for goods., The value of 1$ is what the candy bar is worth.Its like trading 25 , 1 dollar chips for 1 25., its not gamblng., and if you want to eat that 25 dollar chip. .go for it., Your idea that some items have higher value is a personal preferance to types of snacks.

ok, but theres still a chance that i might not get that $1 worth of goods. i can expect it on a balance of probabilites, but i can also make the same statement of various combinations of cards in a poker game.

This would be a flaw in the machine.This is like comparing a black out during a poker hand, where you have the nuts, but all games must come to a stop., and the casino then shuts down due to a nuclear attack, which caused the black out. and all panic breaks loose and you lose your chips.This is something taht COULD happen. But as far as investing 1 dollar into a vending machine, your taking the chance, that your candy bar will come out. but in the unlikely event that it does not, with proper notifications to the distributors or machine operator, you can get your money back. But u cant do this after getting a runner runner suck out

[JBradburn6]

justblaze said:

JBradburn6 said:

To wager money on an uncertain outcome.Is sky diving gambling? No, the person sky diving takes the risk for reasons other than monetary interests, as the person who eats the sandwich does. In my opinion, gambling must involve money.

so refute the logic that post-secondary education is gambling in the same sense that poker is.

If you go to college only to get a high paying job when you graduate, you can do enough work to make it almost certain that you will have a job when you graduate. If you get a 4.0 every semester, you will get a good job when you graduate.Also, not everyone goes to college solely to make X number of dollars a year. Certainly people go to school wanting to become a doctor, lawyer, stock broker, etc. College is necessary in many professions, but the reasons the people want to be doctors or lawyers aren't always financial reasons. People aren't all thinking, "If I pay $30,000 a year in school, maybe I can get a job that will pay me $75,000 a year when I graduate." And for those that are, they have the ability to work hard and make the outcome certain.

[TS Clark]

justblaze said:

Smasharoo said:

well, some moron happens to be a significant part of our society. Nothing is certain in life. you put a dollar into a vending machine, are you certain a snack will come out?If you take definitions so literally, you couldnt tell me you are certain. And yet, we dont see GA reps handing out flyers at your local pepsi machine.The salient point is that you're not betting a dollar that the snack will come out.Understand?

no, i dont. why arent i betting a dollar? i put in a dollar, with the expectation that some item of a value greater than $1 will come out. It might not. The snack must be of greater personal value to me than $1 because i am not indifferent to which snack comes out. some have higher value, some lesser value.

Take Smash's sentence literally. When you put a dollar in the vending machine, you are not betting on anything. You're paying a pre-defined amount of money with full expectation of goods/services being exchanged. There is no betting or wagering involved. Of course, the outcome of the transaction is unknown to a small degree -- but that doesn't make the transaction "betting" or gambling.If you're going to reduce the definition of gambling or betting to apply to any circumstance with less than a 100% outcome, then practically everything in life will fall under that umbrella. But what lots of us are saying is that gambling is wagering (think of this as an active verb) on an event with an uncertain outcome -- whether you're wagering money or not.

[kindofblu]

justblaze said:

You are betting that the food you eat is not poisoned.

This is not the expectation of buying food. Like Royal Tour said its an exchange of goods. And food isn't exactly caveat emptor. You would be entitled to some remedy.

[JBradburn6]

krup24 said:

Gambling does not have to involve money. FACT.

If it's a fact, prove it.By the way, I've looked it up in 3 dictionaries, all of which say in some way or another that it must be played with money or for stakes.

[krup24]

4 entries found for gamble.gam·ble ( P ) Pronunciation Key (gmbl)v. gam·bled, gam·bling, gam·bles v. intr.To bet on an uncertain outcome, as of a contest. To play a game of chance for stakes. To take a risk in the hope of gaining an advantage or a benefit. To engage in reckless or hazardous behavior: You are gambling with your health by continuing to smoke. v. tr.To put up as a stake in gambling; wager. To expose to hazard; risk: gambled their lives in a dangerous rescue mission. n. A bet, wager, or other gambling venture. An act or undertaking of uncertain outcome; a risk:

[Royal_Tour]

JBradburn6 said:

krup24 said:

Gambling does not have to involve money. FACT.

If it's a fact, prove it.By the way, I've looked it up in 3 dictionaries, all of which say in some way or another that it must be played with money or for stakes.

your car, house..

[justblaze]

JBradburn6 said:

krup24 said:

Gambling does not have to involve money. FACT.

If it's a fact, prove it.By the way, I've looked it up in 3 dictionaries, all of which say in some way or another that it must be played with money or for stakes.

stakes need not be monetary.