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[RISEorFall]

.25/.50 on Absolute...from memory so not completely accurate...the parts im worried about are tho...RISE is UTG with JJPF: RISE raises, 1 cold call, CO 3-bets, BB calls, I call, cold caller does what he does, and calls. Flop: (~12 SB) something like 4 6 8 rainbowBB checks, RISE checks, cold caller checks, CO bets, BB folds, RISE raises, cold caller folds, CO 3-bets, RISE callsTurn: (~9 BB) 7RISE checks, CO bets, RISE callsRiver (~11 BB) QRISE checks, CO checksFinal Pot ~11 BBanybody cap PF? I check/raise the flop to get heads up with CO and let him bet AK.His 3-bet scares me so I call down.should i have bet or raised the turn?

[akishore]

RISEorFall said:

anybody cap PF?

only if you have a read that the raiser is a maniac. most times, no.

RISEorFall said:

I check/raise the flop to get heads up with CO and let him bet AK.

good.

RISEorFall said:

His 3-bet scares me so I call down.

calling down is weak. without a read, it might be okay. a lot of people three-bet 10-10 and 9-9.if you have a read that he's a tight player, the turn is an okay spot to fold, unless you know that he semi-bluffs A-K and the like nonstop. likewise, if he's a maniac, you can check-raise the turn again and call down if he three-bets.most times, calling down is okay in this spot without a read.

RISEorFall said:

should i have bet or raised the turn?

see above.without a read, nice hand.aseem

[RISEorFall]

no reads on the guyIf I'm not mistaken, I only have to be good about 1 in 9 times to make calling down from the turn on correct. However, I agree that this is weak. Should I take a wa/wb line and check/call the turn, then bet/call the river? I don't really like check/raising the turn because he 3-bet with a better hand most of the time and quits betting AK. Is this wrong?

[akishore]

RISEorFall said:

no reads on the guyIf I'm not mistaken, I only have to be good about 1 in 9 times to make calling down from the turn on correct. However, I agree that this is weak. Should I take a wa/wb line and check/call the turn, then bet/call the river? I don't really like check/raising the turn because he 3-bet with a better hand most of the time and quits betting AK. Is this wrong?

1. you have to be right about 1 in 5 times. you're getting 10-to-1 on the turn, but you're calling another bet on the river, so your total effective odds are 11-to-2.2. wa/wb line is not applicable here. if he has A-K or A-Q or K-Q, he's not way behind. that's why it boils down to a read of whether he would three-bet unimproved A-K/A-Q/K-Q on that flop and then even bet the turn or not.3. the reason calling down is okay is specifically because a player might play 10-10 or 9-9 this aggressively as well. if you had 10-10 or 9-9, the decision would be much closer and i might advocate folding the turn without a read.aseem

[RISEorFall]

akishore said:

2. wa/wb line is not applicable here. if he has A-K or A-Q or K-Q, he's not way behind.

Makes sense. I think I overlook that a lot.