misplayed (?) middle pair in big pot, $1/2 limit he

[akishore 0]

$1/2 limit he, absolute poker, six-handedpre-flop: akishore is B with K 4 . CO posts to play...., MP raises, SB cold-calls, BB calls.flop: A K 10 (10 SB, 5 players)SB checks, BB checks, MP bets, SB folds, BB cold-calls, MP calls, CO calls.turn: 6 (9 BB, 4 players)BB checks, MP checks, CO checks, akishore checks.river: 7 (9 BB, 4 players)BB checks, MP checks, CO checks, akishore checks.flame away.aseem

[Vade 0]

$1/2 limit he, absolute poker, six-handedpre-flop: akishore is B with K 4 . CO posts to play...., MP raises, SB cold-calls, BB calls.flop: A K 10 (10 SB, 5 players)SB checks, BB checks, MP bets, SB folds, BB cold-calls, MP calls, CO calls.turn: 6 (9 BB, 4 players)BB checks, MP checks, CO checks, akishore checks.river: 7 (9 BB, 4 players)BB checks, MP checks, CO checks, akishore checks.flame away.aseem

Most obvious mistake is not betting the turn. You have the lead on this hand. I have no 6 handed experience so I don't know if you should be in this hand or not...I'd lean towards no...

[econ_tim 0]

I think he doesn't bet the turn because he has maybe 14 outs and would love a free card. His fold equity vs. 3 opponents is low.

[Vade 0]

I think he doesn't bet the turn because he has maybe 14 outs and would love a free card. His fold equity vs. 3 opponents is low.

I also think his chances of winning with that line go down as well. x.x

[akishore 0]

the turn check is standard, vade.being check-raised here would be disastrous.i also don't have nearly as much fold equity as you think. look at this hella draw heavy board with those three broadway cards.fold equity on a turn bet here is less than my confidence in this fucking downswing. that's pretty fucking low, too.pardon my french.aseem

[Vade 0]

Yeah, sorry if I seemed cold there x.xDownswings suck yo

[akishore 0]

bump?aseem

[CobaltBlue 662]

Care to explain why you're cold calling with this hand? Feel like you've got to have a pretty good read to do that.

[akishore 0]

Care to explain why you're cold calling with this hand? Feel like you've got to have a pretty good read to do that.

six-handed, high pre-flop raise percentage, very loose raiser, button, multiway, etc.you would cold-call with A-x suited here, right? cold-calling with K-x suited here, then, isn't much worse.even if it's a mistake, it's not a big leak in magnitude or frequency by any means. so, it's not a big deal at all if cold-calling here is "wrong".aseem

[CobaltBlue 662]

I guess it really depends on the game. Most of the time I'm folding ace-rag suited pre-flop to an early raiser (even short-handed) unless I'm against a frequent raiser or defending against a blind steal. As for K-rag suited...seems like that's a hand that can get you in trouble playing against a raise.

[idiotbocs 0]

this is a horrible call prelfop.i think you were tilting.

[BeanGW 0]

you would cold-call with A-x suited here, right? cold-calling with K-x suited here, then, isn't much worse.aseem

Yes it is much worse. And I think this example shows just one reason why. Second button pairs blow chunks in multi-way pots. At least with the Ace you get the added bonus of top pair, or even top kicker / high card. But, more importantly, let's say you flop your flush, and it's checked to you. What do you do? If you bet, it's 11-1 for anybody who has the naked Ace... in a five way pot that's possible. If that naked Ace bets from EP and there are a few callers to you, what do you do? I think it can be a very difficult hand to play post-flop.I know that's not necessarily a common problem, and I know that you can play those situations far better than I... But I think the combination of the possible overpair and redraw situation greatly diminishes the EV of K-x suited as a cold call.Your boy Ed Miller would be dissapointed in you, young Jedi. [sw] :wink: It looks well played post flop.

[econ_tim 0]

Second button pairs blow chunks in multi-way pots.

I'm happy to see to blow chunks in use again, but doesn't that mean to vomit?I think maybe you meant second button pairs blow, but you got carried away with how bad they are.Party on, Garth.

[screech 0]

I'm folding preflop.I like the flop raise assuming this is being used as a free card play. You have a weak draw in a large pot with position. Turn check is debatable. You probably have at least nine outs. The two remaining kings may also be outs. The three fours are worth even less. I'd estimate you have about between 11 and 12 outs. This means you are about 3:1 to win this hand. Therefor, if you bet, and are called by three opponents, your bet was about even money.I would bet here for a few reasons:1) If you bet and are c/r'd by the BB, and the other two opponents fold, you're taking the worst of it, but you still have outs to improve. Also, the c/r by the BB may have bought you some outs.2) As with 1, your bet may get a better king to fold (although this is unlikely), cleaning up your outs.3) If you plan to call the river UI, a bet here may buy you a free showdown if you want it.

[Smasharoo 0]

you would cold-call with A-x suited here, right?No.It's borderline EV to call in the BB with Axs. It's an easy fold on the button most of the time.You should bet the turn for value with three likely calers.

[akishore 0]

You should bet the turn for value with three likely calers.

why do you advocate checking the turn in this hand:http://www.fullcontactpoker.com/poker-foru...pic.php?t=19105but advocate betting it here?aseem

[akishore 0]

this is a horrible call prelfop.i think you were tilting.

a little. :oops: i actually did figure it wasn't that big a deal, though.some of you said you fold this with the exceptions being if it's a really aggressive game and it's frequent raises from that player.it was.does that change anything?aseem

[CobaltBlue 662]

In my mind, it's possibly justifiable given the correct circumstances. I'll say this though...I've never come across those circumstances where I'd feel comfortable cold calling K-rags on the button.