unorthodox slowplay, $1/2 limit he

[akishore 0]

$1/2 limit he, absolute poker, six-handedpre-flop: akishore is BB with Q J ...., MP calls, ..., SB completes, akishore checks.flop: Q 8 3 (3 SB, 3 players)SB bets, MP folds.turn: K (2.5 BB, 2 players)SB bets, SB calls.river: 7 (6.5 BB, 2 players)SB checks, akishore bets, SB calls.go ahead and flame, but try to understand why and under what circumstances this might be right.aseem

[Vade 0]

$1/2 limit he, absolute poker, six-handedpre-flop: akishore is BB with Q J ...., MP calls, ..., SB completes, akishore checks.flop: Q 8 3 (3 SB, 3 players)SB bets, MP folds.turn: K (2.5 BB, 2 players)SB bets, SB calls.river: 7 (6.5 BB, 2 players)SB checks, akishore bets, SB calls.go ahead and flame, but try to understand why and under what circumstances this might be right.aseem

Seems okay, but what do you do if he three bets the turn?

[akishore 0]

Seems okay, but what do you do if he three bets the turn?

fold.small pot, ragged board, mediocre kicker, overcard on turn.aseemedit: unless i have a read or reason to believe that he's a frequent bluffer or he has a wide range of three-betting hands here. then i call down.

[popeye18 0]

I guess i can understand the reasoning behind the flop call turn raise. Its a small pot, no real draws out there, few people in. However im still raising this flop. I want to push mp out and make sb pay if hes behind. Id like to hear your thought during the hand though.

[jayboogie 0]

its fine if you can put the sb on a range of hands that you dominate here, such as queens with a weaker kicker. slowplaying hands come down to not how strong your own hand is, but how dominate it is over your opponent's hand. For instance, slowplaying AK against AQ when the board hits an Ace is ideal, because you have AQ dominated here, likewise against a Q with a weaker kicker.

[akishore 0]

yeah, you guys got it.the shorthanded game naturally meant it was on the aggressive side. the SB in particular loved to complete in the SB and auto-fire any flop.i figured he most often has no pair. other times, he has a queen with a weaker kicker (he would raise A-Q / K-Q pre-flop) or middle/bottom pair. either way, he was quite behind and i was willing to forefeit my flop edge for a larger turn edge.i also didn't mind a call behind me since the board was so ragged.i don't know what he had, he mucked. i'm guessing middle pair.aseem

[pipes42 0]

tell me where im wrong, just my take on it...smooth call flop fine... but the raise on the turn,i hate raising when an overcard hits... b/c1) im representing that I hit that and dont get paid off if he had weak queen or lower pair (unless he's really bad or thinks I bluff alot)2) if he did hit it and reraised you are folding you said, (if you are going to put 2 bets in on the turn and he raises you are -2 right there, and if he folds (which a decent player would do) then you are -1 (river bet). for some reason this player paid you off...is my logic off?? why would he carry on with mid pair when you raise turn with an overcard hitting... other than he is a bad player, or do you play mid and low pair agr. during the session also?

[Smasharoo 0]

This is funnier if he has KJ.Raise the flop. Knock the FPS off.

[idiotbocs 0]

This is funnier if he has KJ.Raise the flop. Knock the FPS off.

[akishore 0]

haha, alright.just seemed like such a ragged safe board.it would be acceptable if i had a pair of aces instead of queens, no?aseem

[Smasharoo 0]

it would be acceptable if i had a pair of aces instead of queens, no? Yes.Raising this flop is the definition of protecting a vulnerable hand. You're vulnerable to overcards here instead of other draws, but you're still vulnerable.Not forcing MP to look at two cold here is terrible. He happened to fold, but you'd like to make him as inclined to do so as possible if he has overcards here. Not to mention you'll occasionally take it down there.