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[Abbaddabba]

On the button with A/9 of clubs and 2 callers in front of me (i call and sb completes, bb checks).Flop comes 3,8,9 rainbow. Checked around to me, i bet. Big blind calls and UTG calls.Turn is a 4 (board is complete rainbow at this point).Big blind bets, UTG raises... I?Player information:UTG has given me reason to believe he won't limp with completely stupid shit and is a strong player. The BB is fairly incompetent and not prone to anything tricky.I folded.Maybe this is a straight forward hand. I just have trouble giving anyone at those limits enough credit to call two with top pair with what SHOULD be an apparent blank.

[RISEorFall]

Raise PF. BB could have a random 2 pair and UTG more than likely flopped a set. Folding here is good.

[Abbaddabba]

The blinds don't fold. Those particular players have called 2 additional bets cold from the BB with rags.

[RISEorFall]

So? A-9s is a great hand against 2 random limpers and 2 random blinds. You have an edge. Exploit it.

[PrtyPSux]

meh, I dont think the limp was tragic. I think the fold was good (I agree w/ rise about the 2 pr vs set ).

[JamesWinfro]

I think the limp in from the button was the correct move. I would not want to pre-flop raise because this hand is mediocre and two opponents have already entered the pot and could hold a hand like ATs, TT, JJ, 88, 89s, or AJo. All which would beat you now and on the flop and would be hands to limp in with in early position. I would like to say that it is not definite that this is a 2 pair versus a set situation. This could very well be two pair versus two pair or overpair or a set. It is a hand that you know you are beat though and the fold on the turn was correct. Also even though you had top pair calling or raising in the situation with the draw to top two pair is not +EV due to the pot odds, folding is the best play on the turn. Against two random limpers they could be calling with AA or KK and you wouldn't know, so raising with A9s is a poor option with this hand against some unknown opponents.

[Blink20]

Standard hand.Easy fold on turn facing two bets.A case can be made for either limping or folding, both are fine imo. It will just come down to the dynamics of the table, your image, and so forth; mathematically, either will work just fine.

[justblaze]

JamesWinfro said:

I think the limp in from the button was the correct move.  I would not want to pre-flop raise because this hand is mediocre and two opponents have already entered the pot and could hold a hand like ATs, TT, JJ, 88, 89s, or AJo. All which would beat you now and on the flop and would be hands to limp in with in early position.  I would like to say that it is not definite that this is a 2 pair versus a set situation.  This could very well be two pair versus two pair or overpair or a set.  It is a hand that you know you are beat though and the fold on the turn was correct.  Also even though you had top pair calling or raising in the situation with the  draw to top two pair is not +EV due to the pot odds, folding is the best play on the turn.  Against two random limpers they could be calling with AA or KK and you wouldn't know, so raising with A9s is a poor option with this hand against some unknown opponents.

you limp with AJo, TT, JJ, UTG in a 5-10 game?

[Abbaddabba]

If the game is loose enough, i could sympathize with a limp while holding 10's or jacks. Anyways, obviously the reason i posted this is because of how tragically retarded it went.As it turns out, the bettor had 8/K and the raiser was beaten by that (but didnt show). Adding insult to injury would be the A on the river. The raiser says to me "i figured you had me beat, but i thought i had the other guy beat so i raised to scare you out".

[idiotbocs]

raise preflop. Our hand has a decent equity edge against poor players. We also have the button.fold turn is good.

[KDawgCometh]

idiotbocs said:

raise preflop. Our hand has a decent equity edge against poor players. We also have the button.fold turn is good.

damn you, took the thought right out of my mind

[RISEorFall]

KDawgCometh said:

idiotbocs said:

raise preflop. Our hand has a decent equity edge against poor players. We also have the button.fold turn is good.

damn you, took the thought right out of my mind

He was just copying me anywayz :roll:

[Abbaddabba]

After enumerating the outcome for the range of hands that i thought were reasonable (pokerstove), it turns out i had roughly a 3-4% equity edge above and beyond my 20% (in a field of 4 + me).On intuition alone, i felt that there would be an equity edge - but im still reluctant to push something smal like that. Most of those players will make errors on the flop and turn and those errors will be exaggerated depending on how small the pot is. At what point does that factor make up for the loss of the 3-4% equity?