$25nl aa on paired flop

[strategy 4]

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ Hero (7 handed) converterHero ($36.05)UTG ($15.15)MP1 ($17.6)MP2 ($10)CO ($30.6)Button ($60.48)SB ($20.1)Preflop: Hero is BB with [Ad], [Ah]. SB posts a blind of $0.1. 3 folds, CO calls $0.75, Button calls $0.75.Flop: ($3.10) [6h], [2d], [6d] (3 players)Hero bets $2, Button folds, Hero calls $4.Turn: ($15.10) [Js] (2 players)Hero checks, CO bets $7, CO calls $7.River: ($43.10) [5s] (2 players)Hero checks, CO checks.Fold to the raise on the flop? I'm leaking WAY TOO DAMN MUCH with big pairs.

[cbiscuit20 0]

if your going to raise the turn raise all in

[strategy 4]

if your going to raise the turn raise all in

What value is there in jamming vs minimum raise?

[cdddc75 0]

That preflop raise made me throw up in my mouth a little.

[strategy 4]

That preflop raise made me throw up in my mouth a little.

How much more should it be?

[cdddc75 0]

That preflop raise made me throw up in my mouth a little.

How much more should it be?

At least $2. At Party $25 NL, you probably should just go all in preflop.

[strategy 4]

At least $2.  At Party $25 NL, you probably should just go all in preflop.

That's a ridiculous raise compared to the blinds. However, I just got AA in back to back hands and made it 1.50 and 2 pf and netted over $25 on the two hands. I don't think they're paying much attention to how much the raise is.

[offset 0]

With two callers ahead of you a 3xBB raise is unfavorable at any limit. It is a good idea to increase your raises pf by 1BB per each caller ahead of you. At these limits I would raise to at least four or five dollars because someone will call. Or you could just go all in.

[RISEorFall 0]

This definately looks like 7-7, 8-8, 9-9 or 10-10. He's raising on the flop thinking his pp is best and u missed, bets the turn but thinks you might have a J when u raise. Do more than min raise the turn. Make it atleast pot size and consider pushing on the river.

[strategy 4]

This definately looks like 7-7, 8-8, 9-9 or 10-10. He's raising on the flop thinking his pp is best and u missed, bets the turn but thinks you might have a J when u raise. Do more than min raise the turn. Make it atleast pot size and consider pushing on the river.

During the hand, I thought the minimum-raise was the cheapest way to know if I was beat. If he has a 6 or 22, he's coming over the top of me. If he calls it, I know I'm good. The fact that I check-raised on the turn makes it unlikely that he'd bet into me on the river with anything less than trips (I would think). Is this putting too much thought into $25NL?And yeah, he did have 88.

[strategy 4]

With two callers ahead of you a  3xBB raise is unfavorable at any limit.  It is a good idea to increase your raises pf by 1BB per each caller ahead of you.  At these limits I would raise to at least four or five dollars because someone will call.  Or you could just go all in.

Believe it or not, I actually do play with a lot of the same people on $25NL at Party. Today I went all in preflop with aces and the guy laid down queens and gave me my line from his pokertracker, showing how tight I play at NL.

[RISEorFall 0]

During the hand, I thought the minimum-raise was the cheapest way to know if I was beat.  If he has a 6 or 22, he's coming over the top of me.  If he calls it, I know I'm good.  

And he just called it. So why not bet the river to try and get more $$ out of him?

[Rocketwadster 0]

Preflop: Hero is BB with [Ad], [Ah]. SB posts a blind of $0.1. 3 foldsFlop: ($3.10) [6h], [2d], [6d] (3 players)Hero bets $2Turn: ($15.10) [Js] (2 players)Hero checks, CO bets $7River: ($43.10) [5s] (2 players)Hero checks, CO checks. After a check/raise, why would you ever check the river? Did you put your opponent on a 3 4? Weird...Just my opinion. I wasn't there... :wink:

[T0xic 0]

#1 - I would have raised more preflop. Probably about $2 to $3.#2 - If you limp in with Aces (which is basically what you did in my opinion) you must be able to consider dropping them to an aggressive raise after the flop. You have no idea what kind of junk you let into the hand. #3 - Completly ignoring my second point :-) , I would have gone all in on the flop when he reraised you to $6. You did not show any real aggression and he could have been raising you with a high pocket pair. He probably had you on AK or somthing similar.If he has another 6, more power to him. your aces will probably hold up next time. :-)

[shpaget 0]

Preflop: Hero is BB with [Ad], [Ah]. SB posts a blind of $0.1. 3 folds, CO calls $0.25, Button calls $0.25, 1 fold, Hero raises to $0.75, CO calls $0.75, Button calls $0.75. Bet at least $1.50 here...bet a buck with no limpers...more with each limperFlop: ($3.10) [6h], [2d], [6d] (3 players) Hero bets $2, CO raises to $6, Button folds, Hero calls $4. Based on the fact that you let him in cheaply, he could have 6-7 suited...probably not, but that's the problem with letting guys see a cheap flop, they could have anything. With that in mind, I'd come over the top to at least $18 - if he calls, be leary, but also consider he may have mid-high pair, if he raises, it's time to decide if he's bluffing. The hand didn't have to be this tricky at this stage.Turn: ($15.10) [Js] (2 players) Hero checks, CO bets $7, Hero raises to $14, CO calls $7. If yer gonna check raise, go all-in...I'd have probably come out betting the pot, or more.River: ($43.10) [5s] (2 players) Hero checks, CO checks. What would you have done if CO bet? Do you want to make that decision, or would you rather he make that decision?[/b]

[strategy 4]

After a check/raise, why would you ever check the river?  Did you put your opponent on a 3 4?  Weird...Just my opinion.  I wasn't there... :wink:

Like I said above, with the check-raise on the turn I know whether or not he's got trips on the river. If I check and he bets, it doesn't seem plausible (to me, anyway) that he's got less than trips. Put yourself in his shoes... if you've got a medium pair and you get check-raised when an overcard hits, are you happy with your hand? Would you check it to a showdown after that, or risk him coming over the top of you yet again? I don't think a medium pair or AJ or anything less than 22 or 6x will raise me on the turn or bet out on the river--that's why I did the minimum check-raise.All of that aside, I don't think it's the cheapest way to get away from the hand if he does have a six or 22. That was the intent of the question. I needed to raise more pf, but once I see that flop, how do I get away from aces if he does indeed have 6x or 22?

[strategy 4]

Preflop: Hero is BB with [Ad], [Ah]. SB posts a blind of $0.1.  3 folds, CO calls $0.25, Button calls $0.25, 1 fold, Hero raises to $0.75, CO calls $0.75, Button calls $0.75.  Bet at least $1.50 here...bet a buck with no limpers...more with each limperFlop: ($3.10) [6h], [2d], [6d] (3 players)  Hero bets $2, CO raises to $6, Button folds, Hero calls $4.  Based on the fact that you let him in cheaply, he could have 6-7 suited...probably not, but that's the problem with letting guys see a cheap flop, they could have anything.  With that in mind, I'd come over the top to at least $18 - if he calls, be leary, but also consider he may have mid-high pair, if he raises, it's time to decide if he's bluffing.  The hand didn't have to be this tricky at this stage.Turn: ($15.10) [Js] (2 players)  Hero checks, CO bets $7, Hero raises to $14, CO calls $7.   If yer gonna check raise, go all-in...I'd have probably come out betting the pot, or more.River: ($43.10) [5s] (2 players)  Hero checks, CO checks.  What would you have done if CO bet?  Do you want to make that decision, or would you rather he make that decision?[/b]

(In response to reasoning on the flop) That's my problem with getting away from AA on a board like this! There is just way too great a chance that he has TT or KK or any pair higher than the board and thinks it's good. (In response to river) Had he decided to jam, I would have probably mucked my aces (I think he had something like $13 left). If he's got 88-TT, QQ-KK or AJ, what does betting accomplish? Wouldn't you want to see a showdown with those hands, given that you were check-raised on the turn?Let me rephrase. If I'm full of crap with my check-raise on the turn, what does betting the river accomplish for him? Whether I fold my AK to a bet or turn it faceup hoping to win a showdown, his middle pair is going to win the hand.

[strategy 4]

And he just called it. So why not bet the river to try and get more $$ out of him?

Do you think he could fold to a $9 bet or something similar on the river given that he does have one of those hands in the range you gave him above? I don't know the answer to that. I posted a lot of thought on why I minimum check-raised, but that may be too much thought for a $25NL player.

[RISEorFall 0]

Do you think he could fold to a $9 bet or something similar on the river given that he does have one of those hands in the range you gave him above?  I don't know the answer to that.  I posted a lot of thought on why I minimum check-raised, but that may be too much thought for a $25NL player.

Don't you want him to call with those hands? You have AA, not AK right? And if you would really consider folding if he jammed the river with $13 when there's about $45 in the pot you should stop playing NL. Bet about half of what he has left. It's a value bet he will probably call and you might get him to push over the top and take the rest of his money. As for those who are giving the guy credit for a 6 y'all need to look at the hand. The raise on the flop is screaming pocket pair or a 6 or 22. The half pot size bet on the turn and then just calling of the checkraise is not a 6 or 22. If he has one of those, he's probably betting more initially on the turn, and pushing all-in to the raise. He more than likely has a pocket pair below the J, and he seems scared of it.

[RISEorFall 0]

I would have gone all in on the flop when he reraised you to $6.

That's rediculous. There's only about $11 in the pot and Hero here has about $35 left. The only hands calling you are 22 and a 6. I like just calling here and then check/raising the turn. Confuses your opponent and gets him to put more money in the pot with the worst hand. A middle pocket pair isn't calling an all-in, but will fire again on the turn when checked to after they raised the flop. You want money, you don't want to drive away hands that will give you more money if you let them.

[strategy 4]

Do you think he could fold to a $9 bet or something similar on the river given that he does have one of those hands in the range you gave him above?  I don't know the answer to that.  I posted a lot of thought on why I minimum check-raised, but that may be too much thought for a $25NL player.

Don't you want him to call with those hands? You have AA, not AK right? And if you would really consider folding if he jammed the river with $13 when there's about $45 in the pot you should stop playing NL. Bet about half of what he has left. It's a value bet he will probably call and you might get him to push over the top and take the rest of his money. As for those who are giving the guy credit for a 6 y'all need to look at the hand. The raise on the flop is screaming pocket pair or a 6 or 22. The half pot size bet on the turn and then just calling of the checkraise is not a 6 or 22. If he has one of those, he's probably betting more initially on the turn, and pushing all-in to the raise. He more than likely has a pocket pair below the J, and he seems scared of it.

I believe you are absolutely correct. I was going inside his head with the AK comment--that's most likely what he thought I had, given his action, right?I'm not posting to defend my play, even if it worked this time. I could EASILY see this line blowing up in my face when he has a 6 or 22. I want to know how I could play this hand in a way that doesn't leave me committed for most of my stack before I know if he's got a 6 or 22. The only thing I have come up with is a re-raise to $12 on the flop, which may even scare out the kinds of pairs that would raise me, thus weeding out everything BUT a 6 or 22 (AKA kill the profit but bring on the pain).

[RISEorFall 0]

I think that he thinks you have AJ, because of your check/raise on the J. A bet of about half his stack on the river is a bet he will almost have to call because of the size of the pot. I do like your line here as reraising the flop usually drives out the middle pairs and leaves you up against only 22 and a 6. Unless you have a read on the player. Just calling and then re-evaluating on the turn is a good idea. His half the pot size bet is somewhat telling of being scared of the J that fell, but just calling your c/r gives it away. I actually don't mind the min raise on the turn, as if he does have a middle pair that's about all he will call. A raise triple the size of his bet and he's probably folding. EDIT: I like this because even though you're putting more money in the pot to find out, you often have the best hand. the hands he has with a 6 in them he would call a raise with from the CO position are few. The chance that he has a pocket pair here are greater than if he has 22 or a 6. You want to make money. You don't need to raise for information on the flop. You can already narrow his hands down pretty well.

[strategy 4]

I just bought pokertracker today, what do you think of these stats?VP$IP 18.56, PFR 4.10, AF-TOT 2.46I'm pretty sure the little rock icon it assigned me is accurate

[Smasharoo 0]

MoveInPreFlop.

[Abbaddabba 0]

You sure trapped him good with the 75cents preflop raise. :!: