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[ticccal]

I found this entertaining take on Tilt on slate.com....."When the action doesn't pause for a poker hand, Tilt is just an episode of Las Vegas (or maybe Dr. Vegas, rest its soul). It's all cheesy dialogue and lame scenarios. My favorite moment: In a back-room game, one guy says (with a carefully scripted blend of anger and accurate poker terminology), "No string bets here, b..ch." When his opponent pulls out a small pistol, the guy draws a much bigger gun and shouts, "This time I raise!" (If only the second guy had then rolled in a massive cannon. "Reraise, b..ch!")"

[holybejeesusx]

chiiiiiill. it's not a documentary about poker, its a drama with a poker backdrop. i agree that there were some aggravating moments, but it wasn't that bad.

[tekn0wledg]

Well, I have to say I was skeptical but it wasn't as bad as I thought it would be. The story is a bit cheesy, but I feel it was presented in a way such that it wasn't glamorizing anything negative about the game; yet.

[senate83]

I liked this show the first time when I saw it as the movie Shade.....way to be creative. Really expected alot more out of this show even though my expectations were pretty low. Too many cheesy lines, they might as well let Vince Van Patten write the dialouge for it.

[jogsxyz]

Was that Daniel on the dice table?The scene with the white guy and black guy talking trash to each other and then fighting made no sense to me. Can someone please explain it?How could a 12-year old get into the game? And how did she get $7,000?'Tilt' is on tilt as a movie.

[SBriand]

My wife wanted to know if all poker players made testicle jokes, as she counted 7 of them in the episode, 2 or 3 in the first 5 minutes.

[tess]

That was clearly the worst t.v. show I,ve seen. Shame on you Daniel and T.j for being associated with cheaters and low life. I once respected both of you but now I see you both in a different light. Mike Sexton worked very hard with his partner to help give poker a good clean image and bring a love of the game to all people but, Tilt took it back 50 yrs what a shame. It was disgusting hopefully it will be off the air soon. Personaly I won,t watch it again. The casinos also took a hit with cheaters who wants to go to a casio to be cheated. Sure we know there are thing s like that and where there is big money you will always find low life elements we all know that and should be aware of any of these places but my God to dramatize it like they did no way. The mob left Vegas a number of yrs ago and vegas has been trying to clean up its image ever since. The poker scene is still very fragil in essence and this did not help in any way and YOU and TJ. only made it seem more real that it has not gotten any better. What a sad day for poker now how can I tell my friends that I play poker and all the little old ladies that wanted to learn thanks Daniel. You sure help! A twelve yr old and the bathroom scene horriable. Geesh, Give me the Sopranos anyday. Hope the dam show gets run off the air. Tess.

[DanielNegreanu]

Tess, Tess, Tess... please give me a chance to explain before assuming that I condoned what went on in to show or thought it was "good for poker"- they asked me to so a cameo on a hot new poker drama on ESPN...-they tell me to walk away from the table and say I can find better spots... I didn't read the script, and I didn't know they were going to paint poker players as gun slingin' cheats from the wild, wild west. I agree with all of your sentiments and actually voiced them to the producers while I was on set. I let them know repeatedly that poker just isn't like that anymore... I'm going to give the show a few more chances before making a final decision, but the first episode certainly didn't come across as a postivie addition to the poker world. I notice that you posted this at RGP, but if it's ok with you I'd rather leave my comments here as I'd rather not get into it with the vultures over there! :roll:

[JackDeuce]

Tess blaming dan for the show is about as lame as the show it self was. Posting it all over makes me think your just bored or need attention. Anyone that plays poker even an ameture could see that show was just that "SHOW"

[matt2500]

First, yeah, the show was pretty lame. As Daniel said, it portrayed poker as still being played in the wild, wild west. Which, I'm sure, hasn't been the case for something like 30 years now.But, still, ESPN has to create a show that the average Joe, who doesn't know poker, will want to watch. Now, I might want to watch if they showed a 'day in the life' of Dan N. Get up in the morning, go out for breakfast, buy in for $500K at the big game at the Bellagio with the best pros in the world, see what crazy side games are being played....... Now THAT'S entertainment.All of the 'Tilt' junk,though, will draw in viewers -- the assumptions that the game is rigged, the games played in the back rooms of strip joints, etc.For me, the best part was seeing Daniel shooting craps in the intro, and the true nod to the game that was made when both Daniel and T.J. Cloutier begged off the table the Matador was playing.(Of course, as a new poster, this leads me to the question: which players would you love to sit down at a table with, assuming that you could afford the game? My top two players? Daniel and T.J.!)

[KyleStark]

DanielNegreanu said:

 I notice that you posted this at RGP, but if it's ok with you I'd rather leave my comments here as I'd rather not get into it with the vultures over there! :roll:

Vultures?....in RPG?!.....no way.I'm kind of half assed on the show. It's just too cheesy, I know I only play 3/6 at the Ameristar at St Louis, but my nites are not filled with people jumping the table, gun showdowns, people breaking other peoples legs, an entire table of people giving off signals like they were at a baseball game, and finally I've never walked into the high rollers Bathroom to find a complentry BJ from some random hot girl...but I'm trying to be optimistic and keep thinking one day I will, and if anybody knows of a casino that gives those comps out, make sure to pm me on that one.And the bad actors really REALLY like to emphasize the poker jargon words in their sentences...."yeah man, i'm saving my BANKROLL for later"The tilt producers say they wanted to give you a real look what actually happens in card rooms across america...so I bet that daniel picked off johnny chan's signal to jennifer harmon at the 5 Diamond, unfortunately for jennifer, she thought johnny was trying to say "steal second" when he was trying to dump chips, AND THAT'S how daniel got such a massive lead.

[looshle]

DanielNegreanu said:

Tess, Tess, Tess... please give me a chance to explain before assuming that I condoned what went on in to show or thought it was "good for poker"- they asked me to so a cameo on a hot new poker drama on ESPN...-they tell me to walk away from the table and say I can find better spots...  I didn't read the script, and I didn't know they were going to paint poker players as gun slingin' cheats from the wild, wild west.  I agree with all of your sentiments and actually voiced them to the producers while I was on set.  I let them know repeatedly that poker just isn't like that anymore...   I'm going to give the show a few more chances before making a final decision, but the first episode certainly didn't come across as a postivie addition to the poker world.  I notice that you posted this at RGP, but if it's ok with you I'd rather leave my comments here as I'd rather not get into it with the vultures over there! :roll:

You didn't verbally condone the show or agree with how the game was presented in the show, but by simply participating in the show would force a person to assume you agree. I understand that you didn't read the script, and I'm pretty sure that if you had you would have probably backed out of it because I really think it puts poker in a bad light and you do as much as you can possibly do to promote the game. I guess I'm just suggesting to do a little more research into something of that nature next time, so you won't be deemed "guilty by association" I guess. I sure hope this show turns it around but I doubt it. I'll stick with the WPT and WSOP for my reality poker TV, haha.

[endo]

I think you guys are taking this all a little too seriously. Was the show good? Not really. But it's just a TV show. I don't think it's going to negatively affect the poker world in the slightest. Plus, how many first episodes to TV shows rock? Not many that I've seen.

[card79]

I didn't like the show that much not because it offended me or made me think all this stuff was happening. On the flip side actually I didn't really care for it cause it just seemed so far over stretched. It is about what I figured it would be though. As I have mentioned. I spent a lot of years in football at some high levels. When ESPN made playmakers they took every bad, wild, outragious, stereotypical, and sometimes just made up things they could think of happening surrounding the game and stuffed it all in one season. Sure bad things happen. I don't care if you are a grandma workin as a librarian bad things happen around you cause we have to face it not everyone in the world makes the right choices. Shoot I can think of lots of times that I wish I had made other choices, but their job is to take the ordinary and make it stand out so people watch so they come up with the most outragious and wild things they can. They just fed into the stereo type. I don't think it is bad for the game. Those that love will still love it.Andy

[PhoenixPSU]

I think everyone knew from the ads that this show was gonna paint poker in a bad light. Quite frankly, that wasn't what bothered me about the show. I'll even turn off my brain enough to accept a 12-year-old playing high stakes in backrooms...must...hit...power...button. Okay, brain off. But I could not, under any circumstances, forgive the most god-awful dialogue I think I've ever heard. One review I think compared it to the show Las Vegas. Las Vegas is a huge guilty pleasure of mine. Yes, the plots are ridiculous, but the characters are well-developed and the dialogue is sharp, so I can put my brain in park and enjoy it. Tilt was just...painful. Really really painful. It made the Playmakers writing look downright Emmy-worthy.

[iveyfan30]

PhoenixPSU said:

I think everyone knew from the ads that this show was gonna paint poker in a bad light. Quite frankly, that wasn't what bothered me about the show. I'll even turn off my brain enough to accept a 12-year-old playing high stakes in backrooms...must...hit...power...button. Okay, brain off. But I could not, under any circumstances, forgive the most god-awful dialogue I think I've ever heard. One review I think compared it to the show Las Vegas. Las Vegas is a huge guilty pleasure of mine. Yes, the plots are ridiculous, but the characters are well-developed and the dialogue is sharp, so I can put my brain in park and enjoy it. Tilt was just...painful. Really really painful. It made the Playmakers writing look downright Emmy-worthy.

very well said.....i dont think it will effect poker in a negative way <that much> but it effects my intelligence when i try to sit and watch it...it was not only awful, but insultingly awful....its almost like espn thought they can put any piece of crap on tv and as long as its about poker it will be a hit....oh yeah they are right....it will be a hit, doesnt make it suck any less....

[Hardrocker]

Unfortunate for poker players that this show portrays to many negative images of what they are.Sad to think that ESPN just turned it over and let these people run without telling them that they would like to see the show help promote the WSOP.It does take something different for a show to be successful on TV anymore, so maybe they should have tried running introductory sequences on each of the major characters, so the show didn't come out so choppy.I am going to give the show some time, and see if it straightens out as far as running smooth, but I fear that the damage as to how some of the public views poker (while not a majority) has already been done, and will open up new rounds of debate as to the legality of internet poker.At least they didn't have the bad guys opening up Matadorpoker.com

[aventajado]

It was really good to watch something like Tilt, it had that edge the Sopranos had in the first two seasons. I liked the first episode but I'm in Manila right now and wont be able to watch the rest of the season. Thank you Kazaa-lite.Marco