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[JFarrell20]

How do you lose two out of three full houses at a 6-handed limit holdem table within 65 minutes???I figured out a way to do so last night, at the .5/1 tables.That's right: 6-handed table, I make 3 boats, winning one, and losing two.I lost a $14.75 potI lost an $11.00 potI won a $5.50 potConsidering I threw probably $6.50 into the first pot, $5.00 into the second, and won $3.00 in the third, my NET gain for these three full house hands was -$8.50. In other words, I would have saved $8.50 had I layed each of these hands down pre-flop.This has a lot to do with me only winning +$6.50 after 1 hour and 45 minutes of play. Not bad, considering these 3 pots.I would have won an additional $14.25, had I won all three pots, which would have put me at +$20.75 after 1.75 hours, which is pretty good at this table increment.First boat I lose I limp in late position with 6 3 suited. Flop comes 6 x 6. Wonderful...I go to work. Turn comes an 8 of no flush-help. I keep at it, and am getting called. River brings a 3. YES. My boat... I bet, he raises, I re-raise, he just calls. He shows 6's full of 8's. That beats 6's over 3's. I do realize he was ahead the entire hand though, his trip 6's with 8 kicker had me, and he turned his boat, I rivered mine. But still...Next one I have KJ suited. I raise pre-flop, the calling stations call. Flop comes QQK. Hmm... the Q's scare me a bit but come on, 6-handed table? Nobody's got the queen. I bet out, get called. Turn is another queen. OK...Now I've got the nut full house, and even less likely that this guy has the last Queen. I bet out, he calls. I'm guessing its gonna be a split pot. River brings garbage. I bet, he raises. OK, "Quad queens, huh???" I say to him as I begrudgingly make my $1 call on the end of the big pot. Yep...quad mother F-ing queens. LOL. Dude flips over Q 4 off. My KJ suited loses to Q-4 off. But anyway, I think I fared pretty well considering these hands.

[Smasharoo]

Your posts are going to be fun to read when you have a -$75 day.You don't understand how amazingly lucky you've been so far.

[JFarrell20]

Smasharoo said:

Your posts are going to be fun to read when you have a -$75 day.You don't understand how amazingly lucky you've been so far.

How so?Getting 3 boats in 1 hour is lucky. Having a net loss with those three hands is very unlucky.Tell me how I've been lucky so far. I've already said how I've been unlucky.

[Smasharoo]

Being up 6bb in an hour with three bad beats in it is amazingly lucky.Keep playing, you'll understand it.

[Eskimo]

JFarrell20 said:

Hmm... the Q's scare me a bit but come on, 6-handed table? Nobody's got the queen.

I don't know why you would think that.But you had the nut full house, its very hard to lay that down. I don't think you did anything wrong, just a bad beat. And what kinda idiot would call a preflop raise with Q4o?

[jayboogie]

well the first one could have been prevented if you hadn't limped in with garbage like 63 suited. The other is just a bad beat, the possibility of a Q should have occurred to you though when he just called on the turn, if he had anything but the Q and stayed in the hand, he would have likely re-raised here. So, there should have been sensors in your head that he might have the queen. Again your not going to lay it down, but maybe you would have saved yourself a big bet had you checked. When he called you on the turn, you should know he has a king or a Queen. I think checking is the best option on the river, because if he has a king, he'll call your bet anyways if you bet out, so it'll be a chop and if he has a queen, he'd obviously raise. When you check, your just going to call if he bets anyways, so if he does have the queen, you save yourself a big bet.

[NYSPOKER]

6-3 suited? Not a limping hand. KJ with QQKQx board is not the nuts, nor is it the nut Full House. Poket Kings would be. Making money in this game is as much about saving bets as it is about winning them. Recognizing when you may be holding a second best hand will save you many bets, therefore making your play more profitable long-term.I believe, some of what Smash was alluding to. Keeping posting and reading. Coupled with getting several thousands of hands under your belt, it will all become clear.

[JimmyWellington]

jayboogie said:

well the first one could have been prevented if you hadn't limped in with garbage like 63 suited.  The other is just a bad beat, the possibility of a Q should have occurred to you though when he just called on the turn, if he had anything but the Q and stayed in the hand, he would have likely re-raised here.  So, there should have been sensors in your head that he might have the queen.  Again your not going to lay it down, but maybe you would have saved yourself a big bet had you checked.  When he called you on the turn, you should know he has a king or a Queen.  I think checking is the best option on the river, because if he has a king, he'll call your bet anyways if you bet out, so it'll be a chop and if he has a queen, he'd obviously raise.  When you check, your just going to call if he bets anyways, so if he does have the queen, you save yourself a big bet.

Dude come on, 6-3 is the only slightly weaker cousin of "the SIK"!!!!6+3=9, add the 3 back on and you get.....9,3!!!Plus, it was suited!!! :whistle: On a serious note, limping in with 6-3 suited on a regular basis is not going to be good for you. Also, why would you say "he definitely didn't have the Q?"

[JFarrell20]

Smasharoo said:

Being up 6bb in an hour with three bad beats in it is amazingly lucky.Keep playing, you'll understand it.

It was actually an hour and 45. But I understand your point.. the point you are missing is that I'm just that good. :wink:

[JFarrell20]

Eskimo said:

JFarrell20 said:

Hmm... the Q's scare me a bit but come on, 6-handed table? Nobody's got the queen.

I don't know why you would think that.But you had the nut full house, its very hard to lay that down. I don't think you did anything wrong, just a bad beat. And what kinda idiot would call a preflop raise with Q4o?

THANK YOU. That's what I said. I don't know if he was in the blinds already. I don't quite remember. Who knows..the point is, these people will pay me off in the long run, right??? :?

[JFarrell20]

jayboogie said:

I think checking is the best option on the river, because if he has a king, he'll call your bet anyways if you bet out, so it'll be a chop and if he has a queen, he'd obviously raise. When you check, your just going to call if he bets anyways, so if he does have the queen, you save yourself a big bet.

Outstanding point. At that point, I put him on a split-pot, so you are absolutely right, betting out here makes no sense. If he bets, I'll have to call, but yes, I would have saved a dollar, because even if he raises I've still got to call. Very good point... didn't occur to me during the hand.

[JFarrell20]

NYSPOKER said:

6-3 suited? Not a limping hand. KJ with QQKQx board is not the nuts, nor is it the nut Full House. Poket Kings would be. Making money in this game is as much about saving bets as it is about winning them.

True about the full house. However, I disagree when you say 6-3 suited is not a limping hand. I was on the button (I believe) and the pot had not been raised. Also, there were several callers, so my implied odds were huge. 6-3 suited can pay you off easily in a pot like that. The current flow of the game dictated my call in that spot. You can't arbitrarily say that I shouldn't have limped in, without seeing the table play in person.

[NYSPOKER]

JFarrell20 said:

True about the full house. However, I disagree when you say 6-3 suited is not a limping hand. I was on the button (I believe) and the pot had not been raised. Also, there were several callers, so my implied odds were huge. 6-3 suited can pay you off easily in a pot like that. The current flow of the game dictated my call in that spot. You can't arbitrarily say that I shouldn't have limped in, without seeing the table play in person.

I agree, I do not have the benefit of having been there, but, even with lets say 8 small bets in the pot, what flop are you hoping to see here? Two or three of your suit is not a very strong flush or flush draw. Any flop that gives you a straight, can be giving somebody else a bigger straight. 633, you are beat by a pair of sixes (definately a limping hand).663 may be the best possible flop for you, what are the chances?Point is, this hand is way too easy to end up being second best. Do not waste your money.JMHO.

[JFarrell20]

I see your point about the flush b/c if 2 diamonds come I still need to pay to chase one. And if three diamonds come, I need to dodge a 4th and hope nobody else has pocket diamonds. 2 4 5 would be a great flop. Anyone with an ace would probably stay in and pay me off. If I flop 663, I cant worry about someone with 6-6. I mean... "what are the chances"?I highly doubt many of you would have played this hand differently. But a lot of people want to disagree just to attempt to sound smarter. The point is, it was a bad beat, 'nuff said.

[dominiksdad]

JFarrell20 said:

I see your point about the flush b/c if 2 diamonds come I still need to pay to chase one. And if three diamonds come, I need to dodge a 4th and hope nobody else has pocket diamonds. 2 4 5 would be a great flop. Anyone with an ace would probably stay in and pay me off. If I flop 663, I cant worry about someone with 6-6. I mean... "what are the chances"?I highly doubt many of you would have played this hand differently. But a lot of people want to disagree just to attempt to sound smarter. The point is, it was a bad beat, 'nuff said.

I think you post adequately proves that most people would have played this hand differently. By your own admission there is only one possible flop which you really want to see (although 6-6-6 and 3-3-3 might be good too) and whilst I can't calculate the exact odds of that because my calculator only has room for 10 digits on its display I'm guessing that it is fairly unlikely. :wink:

[rivercardbandit]

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First boat I lose I limp in late position with 6 3 suited. Flop comes 6 x 6. Wonderful...I go to work. Turn comes an 8 of no flush-help. I keep at it, and am getting called. River brings a 3. YES. My boat... I bet, he raises, I re-raise, he just calls. He shows 6's full of 8's. That beats 6's over 3's. I do realize he was ahead the entire hand though, his trip 6's with 8 kicker had me, and he turned his boat, I rivered mine. But still...

What was the "x" on the flop, just curious?

[JFarrell20]

rivercardbandit said:

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First boat I lose I limp in late position with 6 3 suited. Flop comes 6 x 6. Wonderful...I go to work. Turn comes an 8 of no flush-help. I keep at it, and am getting called. River brings a 3. YES. My boat... I bet, he raises, I re-raise, he just calls. He shows 6's full of 8's. That beats 6's over 3's. I do realize he was ahead the entire hand though, his trip 6's with 8 kicker had me, and he turned his boat, I rivered mine. But still...

What was the "x" on the flop, just curious?

I really can't say for sure, I believe it was a Queen. 6 Q 6 8 3 I know for sure that was the order, so the dude did have me the whole way. I would love to see you guys lay my hand down here. That would mean your balls would have to be bigger than your brain. Here's the other thing... since it's a limit game, once you flop something like this, it's almost always justified to at least call to the end. pot odds are usually worth it if not always.

[Smasharoo]

But I understand your point.. the point you are missing is that I'm just that good.No, the point that I understand, that you do not, is that you aren't yet.I'm trying to help you not find out the reality by losing all of your money.

[JFarrell20]

Took a while for a reply there Smash. Lol. Don't worry about my $$ dude. Worry about yours and the people you care about.

[Smasharoo]

I'm not worried about it. I have no illusions that you'd post that you lost it. I imagine you'll lose it all and post about what a great day you had and how you're now 47 tabling 50/100.