kj in an unraised pot

[Guest]

Kj before the flop in an unraised pot is one of my favorite hands to play. The reasons why...1. Almost all of the people Ive played against, online and love wont limp with AJ, KQ, or AK.2. with this knowledge if you hit the top pair of Jacks or Kings you most likey are good, given knowone limped with a big pair, tripped up, or got lucky and hit two pair.I would like to hear some of your responses to this and im wondering if yall have noticed the same thing.

[tekn0wledg 0]

I only play this hand from late position in an unraised pot. I will raise with it if suited as well.I don't like playing hands like this generally though because of the AJ potential or KQ potential.

[Smasharoo 0]

I would like to hear some of your responses to this and im wondering if yall have noticed the same thing.KJ sucks. Most people don't raise AJ unless they are first in.It'd help a little if you perhaps explained WHAT GAME you're talking about and how you play it.

[Guest]

sorry, i usually play with 6 or 7 guys a few times a week, and in a shorthanded game like that, i think youd most likely raise with a AJ even in an early position.

[Smasharoo 0]

6 or 7 isn't really shorthanded.What GAME were you talking about, Limit, NL, PL?

[Smasharoo 0]

6 or 7 isn't really shorthanded.What GAME were you talking about, Limit, NL, PL?

[Wlleiotl 0]

I love KJ as well.It means i get called down a lot if i hit my K or J with KQ or AJ when ive limped.

[MaxStrick 0]

6 or 7 isn't really shorthanded.What GAME were you talking about, Limit, NL, PL?

LOL, 6 handed, is the DEFINITION of shorthanded play. WSOP this year, the shorthanded tournaments will be played 6 handed.

[Smasharoo 0]

LOL, 6 handed, is the DEFINITION of shorthanded play.No, really it isn't. It's shorter than 10 handed but plays not much diffrent than a 10 person game.I think of 3-4 people as shorthanded. I think most experienced players feel the same.

[PukaPlaya 0]

6 or less is considered shorthanded by most people.

[MaxStrick 0]

LOL, 6 handed, is the DEFINITION of shorthanded play.No, really it isn't. It's shorter than 10 handed but plays not much diffrent than a 10 person game.I think of 3-4 people as shorthanded. I think most experienced players feel the same.

Then you and your "experienced" players would be wrong. Sorry, but it's a fact, 6 handed is shorthanded play.

[Smasharoo 0]

Then you and your "experienced" players would be wrong. Sorry, but it's a fact, 6 handed is shorthanded play.Again, no.6 player max tables are called "shorthanded" tables because you're more likely to see 3 or 4 people than you are at a 10 person table.6 isn't particularly shorthanded.It's a matter of oppinion, there is no "definition" of it. If you read any short handed theory it's not about playing with 6 people at the table. You're confusing two diffrent uses of the term.

[JaysonWeber 0]

Well it does depend on how many people are playing in the game, with a full ring game 9-10, depending on the players I'm playing with, sometimes I'll even raise with it UTG (if they are the type to cold call not re-raise pre-flop), but most of the time I'll only raise with this from late position.I consider 6 player a shorthanded game, and I will open up my starting hands relative to the number of players, so with that in mind, in a 6 handed game I'll ussually raise from mid-late position with this hand, and possibly from early position.

[MaxStrick 0]

Again, no.6 player max tables are called "shorthanded" tables because you're more likely to see 3 or 4 people than you are at a 10 person table.6 isn't particularly shorthanded.It's a matter of oppinion, there is no "definition" of it.  If you read any short handed theory it's not about playing with 6 people at the table.  You're confusing two diffrent uses of the term.

Then why are 6 person tables played at SHORTHANDED tournaments, where there will be table changes and a full table of 6 at most times?I agree with you that it is can be an opinion, but the MAJORITY opinion is that 6 person is the beginning of shorthanded play.Eh, go argue with Matt Savage.

[NYSPOKER 0]

No, really it isn't.  It's shorter than 10 handed but plays not much diffrent than a 10 person game.

Got to disagree, here. Especially, if we are talking limit; even more so if the game is raked. A six-handed game would play much differently than a full 9/10 handed game.Blinds come around much faster, and the rake is more substantial. Opening hand requirements loosen up, considerably.

[Smasharoo 0]

Again, two diffrent terms.Your starting hand requirements shouldn't really be that much looser on a 6-max table. Your raising requirements should be less restrictive.If you're playing TJo because there's 6 people instead of 10 you're going to lose a lot of money.

[Mandelbrot 0]

Most ppl consider 6 to be the number at which game play differs meaningfully.

[Smasharoo 0]

Most ppl consider 6 to be the number at which game play differs meaningfully.I guess that explains all the horrible loose play at 6-max tables.

[MaxStrick 0]

Most ppl consider 6 to be the number at which game play differs meaningfully.I guess that explains all the horrible loose play at 6-max tables.

Guess so.

[Guest]

king jack not 10J

[NYSPOKER 0]

Again, two diffrent terms.Your starting hand requirements shouldn't really be that much looser on a 6-max table.  Your raising requirements should be less restrictive.If you're playing TJo because there's 6 people instead of 10 you're going to lose a lot of money.

Agreed, note I said "opening hand requirements". At a 9-10 seated table I tend not to limp too often, if I come in it is raising. However, with the right circumstances, I will limp in. 6 handed, limping is seldom an option, unless I am slow playing a big PP, which I do not do too often. As such, I do open (come in raising) with more marginal hands, depending on position and action before me. At lower limits, I experience less bad beats in a 6-handed game, for the obvious reasons.

[digitalmonkey 929]

What was the original question....the definition of a shorthanded table?

[JFarrell20 1]

How are you good here if a jack falls on the flop and you think someone limped in with AJ???KJ is not strong. You will lose a lot of money over-valuing this hand.

[Smasharoo 0]

At lower limits, I experience less bad beats in a 6-handed game, for the obvious reasons.You should be seeing more.For obvious reasons,

[NYSPOKER 0]

At lower limits, I experience less bad beats in a 6-handed game, for the obvious reasons.You should be seeing more.For obvious reasons,

Curious, care to elaborate? My experience has been that there are less players competing for the pot, which yields less bad beats. Perhaps it is my perception of a bad beat. Interested to hear another take on it, though.