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[PrtyPSux]

I think Ive been having trouble playing good hands in missed flops, I have three hands from this particular session that I want to show you guys, maybe this is not enough to find leaks (if it isnt tell me and Ill look for more hands w/ similar situations). anyway, I know how you guys hate multiple hands, and results, but in this particular situation I think that both are necessary. In two hands of the three I won the pot, In one I lost, I dont want to be result oriented so I want to know which I played right (if any) and witch I missplayed...well here they are.Party Poker 1/2 Hold'em (10 handed) converterPreflop: Hero is MP2 with [As], [Kd]. CO posts a blind of $1. 2 folds, UTG+2 calls.Flop: (8.50 SB) [6s], [4c], [Ts] (2 players)UTG+2 bets, UTG+2 calls. just called a raise, could he have an over pr? Turn: (6.25 BB) [Tc] (2 players)UTG+2 bets, UTG+2 calls.I have him on a range of hands 10's, j's (not too likely), and Ak-A10s (in which case he's on a flush draw probably)River: (10.25 BB) [8s] (2 players)UTG+2 checks, Hero checks.I check here for obvious reasonsFinal Pot: 10.25 BBup agains AJs, he caught a flush draw on the turn. Did i f this up?-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------this hand the villian is a tricky/solid playerParty Poker 1/2 Hold'em (8 handed) converterPreflop: Hero is SB with [Kc], [As]. UTG raises, UTG folds, MP1 calls.Flop: (11 SB) [9c], [8s], [6s] (2 players)Hero bets, Hero calls.Turn: (7.50 BB) [9d] (2 players)Hero checks, MP1 bets, MP1 folds.again a pr on board I think i could have the best hand, but its a bit less clear than in the first situation. big pot though. Final Pot: 10.50 BB---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- this pot was played against a guy who showed no strength till the end, basically I dont know what to do on the turnParty Poker 1/2 Hold'em (10 handed) converterPreflop: Hero is MP1 with [Tc], [Ac]. 3 folds, SB calls, BB calls.Flop: (6 SB) [Qd], [6c], [2d] (3 players)SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets, SB calls, BB folds.Turn: (4 BB) [6d] (2 players)SB checks, Hero bets, SB calls. should I be betting here? I could have the best hand, and a check here would definately get the guy to raise the river. what should i do ?[b]River: (6 BB) [Kh] (2 players)SB bets, Hero folds.[b]Final Pot: 7 BBI might have missplayed all of the hands (although I think the 1st one might be good). I think i'm losing money in missed flops, thanks for the help.

[Vade]

PrtyPSux said:

I think Ive been having trouble playing good hands in missed flops, I have three hands from this particular session that I want to show you guys, maybe this is not enough to find leaks (if it isnt tell me and Ill look for more hands w/ similar situations). anyway, I know how you guys hate multiple hands, and results, but in this particular situation I think that both are necessary. In two hands of the three I won the pot, In one I lost, I dont want to be result oriented so I want to know which I played right (if any) and witch I missplayed...well here they are.Party Poker 1/2 Hold'em (10 handed) converterPreflop: Hero is MP2 with [As], [Kd]. CO posts a blind of $1. 2 folds, UTG+2 calls.Flop: (8.50 SB) [6s], [4c], [Ts] (2 players)UTG+2 bets, UTG+2 calls. just called a raise, could he have an over pr? Turn: (6.25 BB) [Tc] (2 players)UTG+2 bets, UTG+2 calls.I have him on a range of hands 10's, j's (not too likely), and Ak-A10s (in which case he's on a flush draw probably)River: (10.25 BB) [8s] (2 players)UTG+2 checks, Hero checks.I check here for obvious reasonsFinal Pot: 10.25 BBup agains AJs, he caught a flush draw on the turn. Did i f this up?Yeah you did. I think you have to pitch this hand when bet into again on the turn. I do like the raise on the flop, to keep the lead, but this guy has a good hand presumably. STOP POSTING RESULTS RIGHT AWAY-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------this hand the villian is a tricky/solid playerParty Poker 1/2 Hold'em (8 handed) converterPreflop: Hero is SB with [Kc], [As]. UTG raises, UTG folds, MP1 calls.Flop: (11 SB) [9c], [8s], [6s] (2 players)Hero bets, Hero calls.Turn: (7.50 BB) [9d] (2 players)Hero checks, MP1 bets, MP1 folds.again a pr on board I think i could have the best hand, but its a bit less clear than in the first situation. big pot though. Final Pot: 10.50 BBDon't like this one either. It's a capped pot and he's being very aggressive. Don't play results based poker, it worked this time, but I think you were ridiculously lucky. I can't even figure out what he had. Maybe a big ace? Being TA or TAA is one thing, but this seems like spewage to me.I got a feeling others might disagree with me here---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- this pot was played against a guy who showed no strength till the end, basically I dont know what to do on the turnParty Poker 1/2 Hold'em (10 handed) converterPreflop: Hero is MP1 with [Tc], [Ac]. 3 folds, SB calls, BB calls.Flop: (6 SB) [Qd], [6c], [2d] (3 players)SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets, SB calls, BB folds.Turn: (4 BB) [6d] (2 players)SB checks, Hero bets, SB calls. should I be betting here? I could have the best hand, and a check here would definately get the guy to raise the river. what should i do ?[b]River: (6 BB) [Kh] (2 players)SB bets, Hero folds.[b]Final Pot: 7 BBThis hand is played fine I think. 3 handed against the blinds keep betting until someone shows aggression. They probably had K-x or something. Obviously check behind if they check. NHI might have missplayed all of the hands (although I think the 1st one might be good). I think i'm losing money in missed flops, thanks for the help.

These are tough tough hands to play. Honestly, I probably don't always play them the same. If I've been winning at the table, I'll probably get more aggressive with them. Table image has some influence on these kinds of hands imo

[TheIceman05]

Hand 1- Flawless. Considering the range of hands you put him on and the probability of a check-raise on the river, I certainly agree with the check. Hand 2- What do you think your opponent has? Why? I think a read on UTG-1 is very important here.Hand 3- I like betting the turn, but I think I leak a little by being too aggressive w/o a hand on the turn.Ice

[Vade]

TheIceman05 said:

Hand 1- Flawless. Considering the range of hands you put him on and the probability of a check-raise on the river, I certainly agree with the check. Bet/fold COULD be better, but bet/call is worst. Hand 2- What do you think your opponent has? Why? I think a read on UTG-1 is very important here.Hand 3- I like betting the turn, but I think I leak a little by being too aggressive w/o a hand on the turn.Ice

Look at what he thought of hand one. The only hands he's ahead of are AQ and AJ suited.He trails JJ, 10-10 (unlikely) and if the opponent has AKs he's risking money when his opponent has a total freerollI think J-10 suited and 99-77 aren't unreasonable hands either, with the play on the river probably eliminating 88 (but he could be C-raising it) Yeah, you can win a hand like this some of the time, but 4.5 BB are spent on this hand...which I feel could be better spent elsewhere

[TheIceman05]

Vade said:

Look at what he thought of hand one. The only hands he's ahead of are AQ and AJ suited.He trails JJ, 10-10 (unlikely) and if the opponent has AKs he's risking money when his opponent has a total freerollI think J-10 suited and 99-77 aren't unreasonable hands either, with the play on the river probably eliminating 88 (but he could be C-raising it) Yeah, you can win a hand like this some of the time, but 4.5 BB are spent on this hand...which I feel could be better spent elsewhere

Some posters are unable to read, and thought the hero had AA and not AK. Some posters should have realized the question made no sense if the OP had AA.Some posters are morons, and should hang themselves for the benefit of the human race.Ice

[popeye18]

Hand 1: Pf and flop look good to me. Turn looks alright. Id probably either fold or raise. IF utg had caught trips with the ten i believe he would go for the check raise. Since he didnt cap pf you might have the best hand and if not probably have 6 outs. With the raise the river check was perfect.Hand 2: Mp1 3 bet preflop wich shows alot of strength. Do you have any reads. Many guys would not 3 bet pf without at least ace king. I think the flop lead is good since you capped and id call the raise. However im letting this go on the turn.Hand 3: I find this situation pretty annoying. You bet out on the flop and dont improve on the turn. Usually reads help here. Do they fold alot of turns. Without reads i tend to check this on the turn and check/fold the river.

[Absolute]

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Party Poker 1/2 Hold'em (10 handed) converterPreflop: Hero is MP2 with [As], [Kd].  CO posts a blind of $1.    2 folds, UTG+2 calls.Flop: (8.50 SB) [6s], [4c], [Ts] (2 players)UTG+2 bets, UTG+2 calls.Turn: (6.25 BB) [Tc] (2 players)UTG+2 bets, UTG+2 calls.River: (10.25 BB) [8s] (2 players)UTG+2 checks, Hero checks.Final Pot: 10.25 BB

Why are we playing AK like it is KK?

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Party Poker 1/2 Hold'em (8 handed) converterPreflop: Hero is SB with [Kc], [As].    UTG raises, UTG folds, MP1 calls.Flop: (11 SB) [9c], [8s], [6s] (2 players)Hero bets, Hero calls.Turn: (7.50 BB) [9d] (2 players)Hero checks, MP1 bets, MP1 folds.Final Pot: 10.50 BB

Why are we capping AK pre-flop? It isn't even sooooooooted.And what the hell are you check/raising the turn for?This is FPS - and it usually does NOT have this result.I am starting to wonder if you really held aces on these first two hands the the converter messed up. I doubt that is the case though.

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Party Poker 1/2 Hold'em (10 handed) converterPreflop: Hero is MP1 with [Tc], [Ac].    3 folds, SB calls, BB calls.Flop: (6 SB) [Qd], [6c], [2d] (3 players)SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets, SB calls, BB folds.Turn: (4 BB) [6d] (2 players)SB checks, Hero bets, SB calls.River: (6 BB) [Kh] (2 players)SB bets, Hero folds.Final Pot: 7 BB

Chip spewing on the turn.

[PrtyPSux]

Absolute, I agree with you on the second two, but the first I really think Im ahead a lot of times. if the river isnt a flush card I might even call another bet, Im sure he doesnt have q's - A's .. JJ would be odd, AJ-AK (even KQ-KJs) are more believable, the turn IMO is a relatively safe card he has less chance of having a A10s plus I already know he prob doesnt have j's ..what does that leave?is my logic completely wrong? I just want to understand why its really wrong.. thanks.

[idiotbocs]

Hey PPS, the first hand sucks.Raise the flop *if* the guy is a weak player. If he is aggressive, just call and fold the turn UI.The turn raise is atrocious. Just fold.