Rocketwadster 0 Posted June 22, 2005 Share Posted June 22, 2005 This guy had my number all day. Calling with crap (queen 8, queen 7, etc) and baeting my quality hands EVERY TIME. How do you compensate for playing against someone who plays any two cards, regardless of the pre-flop action?Sorry - Absolut enot working with converter for some reason. I have cleaned up a bit:Hand 1:Stage #143573970: Holdem Normal $0.50/$1ROCKETWAD - Pocket [Qc,As] (MP+1)ROCKETWAD - Raises $0.50 to $13DRAGONS_FL - Calls $1 (CO)BIG BEAST69 - Calls $0.50 (BB)FLOP [2s,3d,7d]BIG BEAST69 - ChecksROCKETWAD - Bets $0.503DRAGONS_FL - Calls $0.50BIG BEAST69 - FoldsTURN [2s,3d,7d,8s]ROCKETWAD - Checks3DRAGONS_FL - ChecksRIVER [2s,3d,7d,8s,Jc]ROCKETWAD - Checks3DRAGONS_FL - ChecksSHOW DOWN ROCKETWAD - Show cards [Qc,As] 3DRAGONS_FL - Show cards [Kc,8h] RESULT Total Pot($4.25) Rake ($0.20)Board [2s,3d,7d,8s,Jc]Hand 2:Stage #143577330: Holdem Normal $0.50/$1ROCKETWAD - Pocket [Jh,Ah] (CO)3DRAGONS_FL - Calls $0.50 (MP)ROCKETWAD - Raises $0.50 to $1_GARGOUILLE_ - Raises $0.75 to $1.50DRAGONS_FL - Calls $1ROCKETWAD - Calls $0.50FLOP [6c,5c,3s]_GARGOUILLE_ - Bets $0.503DRAGONS_FL - Calls $0.50ROCKETWAD - FoldsGot out while I still could.TURN [6c,5c,3s,4c]_GARGOUILLE_ - Bets $13DRAGONS_FL - Calls $1RIVER [6c,5c,3s,4c,8s]_GARGOUILLE_ - Checks3DRAGONS_FL - ChecksSHOW DOWN_GARGOUILLE_ - Show cards [Ad,Ac] 3DRAGONS_FL - Show cards [2d,Jc]RESULT Total Pot($ 8) Rake ($0.40)Board [6c,5c,3s,4c,8s]Help please. I have put results in so you can see what this guy is capable of. Link to post Share on other sites
Frills 0 Posted June 22, 2005 Share Posted June 22, 2005 buddy list him Link to post Share on other sites
Absolute 0 Posted June 22, 2005 Share Posted June 22, 2005 thought this was NL for a sec.lemme think about these. Link to post Share on other sites
Rocketwadster 0 Posted June 22, 2005 Author Share Posted June 22, 2005 buddy list himThis clown took me (and Gargouille) for about $20 or $25 (each) then ran. It was amazing how he hit every time he played, with crap.Simply adding him to a list doesnt help us in the heat of the moment though. Need to know what adjustments we should be making knowing that if he is in a hand, he could have anything... :wink: Link to post Share on other sites
Rocketwadster 0 Posted June 22, 2005 Author Share Posted June 22, 2005 thought this was NL for a sec.lemme think about these.You should know that I can't play NL ring games...lol...i barely get by with limit :wink: Link to post Share on other sites
BeanGW 0 Posted June 22, 2005 Share Posted June 22, 2005 Rocket:I was in a very similar situation in my home game last night. Had pocket Aces cracked by trip 10s (river river 10's BTW). Villain was playing 10-8 offsuit heads up w/ me in a pot I had raised 4x the BB. Freakin hilarious. I didn't lose much on the hand though. My buddy turned to me and gave me this look like WTF. I just smiled to the noob who cracked me and said, NH, you got me.You played this hand fine. You know as well as anybody that in the end if you play 1000 hands with this guy you will end up ahead because you'll be betting your hands for value, and he'll just be calling because he likes the action.Play ABC poker and strong starting hands against calling stations and you will be just fine. I think that you're biggest advantage when playing against a calling station is the knowledge that he will not raise you, and will not fold a worse hand. You know not to bluff, not to check raise (because he won't bet into you), and to make all the value bets you can on the river. Any bit of loss you get from an occasional suck out is far compensated by the knowledge you have by knowing how a calling station will play. Link to post Share on other sites
TheIceman05 0 Posted June 22, 2005 Share Posted June 22, 2005 Very easily. He's a fish (loose passive passive).He isn't punishing you by betting or raising for value. He isn't folding when he's got the worst of it. So: value bet a wide range of hands. Do not: Bluff or semibluff. Is he calling on the flop no matter what he has? Is he calling on the flop w/o a pair? How about the turn? River? If he is, you can bet ace-hi for value. If not, you can'tEasy peasey. Kick his assIce Link to post Share on other sites
Rocketwadster 0 Posted June 22, 2005 Author Share Posted June 22, 2005 Very easily. He's a fish (loose passive passive).He isn't punishing you by betting or raising for value. He isn't folding when he's got the worst of it. So: value bet a wide range of hands. Do not: Bluff or semibluff. Is he calling on the flop no matter what he has? Is he calling on the flop w/o a pair? How about the turn? River? If he is, you can bet ace-hi for value. If not, you can'tEasy peasey. Kick his assIceEasy to say on paper. He played (almost) every hand he was dealt. As you can see by the betting lines of these two examples alone, I believe the both gargouille and I played them correctly, to no avail. like I said in a previous post, he took us LARGE!!! :cry: Link to post Share on other sites
Smasharoo 0 Posted June 22, 2005 Share Posted June 22, 2005 This guy had my number all day. Calling with crap (queen 8, queen 7, etc) and baeting my quality hands EVERY TIME. How do you compensate for playing against someone who plays any two cards, regardless of the pre-flop action? Can't be done.They're impossible to beat. Not because one will beat you everytime, of course that won't happen. But they school together so that 8 are in every hand, and one of them is bound to have some junk hand that lucks out.This is why no one should play micro-limits.It'd be impossible for someone to take like $50 and turn into $1000 playing microlimits. People should wise up and start at 5/10 where your bets are respected and you win pots you should win.That's Party 5/10. Six max.On Party. Link to post Share on other sites
Rocketwadster 0 Posted June 22, 2005 Author Share Posted June 22, 2005 Not sure what happened to the smash that actually posted good thought processes and strategies...I miss that guy :cry: Link to post Share on other sites
Smasharoo 0 Posted June 22, 2005 Share Posted June 22, 2005 Not sure what happened to the smash that actually posted good thought processes and strategies...I miss that guyYou're asking the dumbest question possible, what are you looking for?You're asking the equivilent of:I play this game with my freinds where I get to win $100 if I have a dice roll of six. Here's the thing, I have to bet $5 to win the $100. I lose most of the time. I'm getting screwed, this is a bad bet, right? Link to post Share on other sites
RISEorFall 0 Posted June 22, 2005 Share Posted June 22, 2005 same thing happened to me on Absolute last night Rocket....had AK run down by J2, AQ run down by 4-8, and KQs beat by 3-6, and then about 6 other A-big hands that I cant remember beat by 2-5 and the like. It happens, I still ended up with a decent profit at the table. You just have to keep trying to play solid and don't let it get to you. Link to post Share on other sites
Rocketwadster 0 Posted June 22, 2005 Author Share Posted June 22, 2005 You're asking the dumbest question possible, what are you looking for?You're asking the equivilent of:I play this game with my freinds where I get to win $100 if I have a dice roll of six. Here's the thing, I have to bet $5 to win the $100. I lose most of the time. I'm getting screwed, this is a bad bet, right?No, I am sure that there are many dumber questions (ie. it's the first hand of the main event at the world series of poker, you have pocket aces, yadda yadda yadda). I thought it was an actual good question that I am sure many people have problems with (what changes do you make with the way you play when you are against at least one opponent who will go in with any two cards...). Normally, you try to put a guy on a hand with the way he played pre-flop, post-flop, on the turn, etc., but when he will play any two cards, you MUST change things, mustn't you? :wink: Link to post Share on other sites
RISEorFall 0 Posted June 22, 2005 Share Posted June 22, 2005 Nope...start value betting about any pair and start raising and reraising him to try and isolate. they'll take the occasional big pot off of you, but if they're in with any 2 cards pairs and A high are usually decently big hands against them. try to isolate and get it heads up with them, then punish them for playing any 2 cards. the guy with J2 last night took a big pot off of me, but he's also where most of my winning from that table came from. Link to post Share on other sites
Smasharoo 0 Posted June 22, 2005 Share Posted June 22, 2005 Normally, you try to put a guy on a hand with the way he played pre-flop, post-flop, on the turn, etc., but when he will play any two cards, you MUST change things, mustn't you?No.Play 100000 hands with them and see how they do. Link to post Share on other sites
allinbluff35 0 Posted June 22, 2005 Share Posted June 22, 2005 YSAPKY Link to post Share on other sites
Rocketwadster 0 Posted June 23, 2005 Author Share Posted June 23, 2005 YSAPKYSorry, but I am not familiar with that acronym. :? Link to post Share on other sites
Briguy 0 Posted June 23, 2005 Share Posted June 23, 2005 Rocket, it's just negative variance. This same fool will be paying you off when your high overs pair up. I love these players, because they often loosen the rest of the table up, as people start gunning for him (or worse, emulating him!) with crap hands. It doesn't take many 15 BB pots to make up for a few preflop raises you had to muck on the flop. Link to post Share on other sites
Canada 0 Posted June 23, 2005 Share Posted June 23, 2005 YSAPKYSorry, but I am not familiar with that acronym. :?I'm guessing...You suck at poker. Kill yourselfSBCDC Link to post Share on other sites
Rocketwadster 0 Posted June 23, 2005 Author Share Posted June 23, 2005 YSAPKYSorry' date=' but I am not familiar with that acronym. :?[/quote']I'm guessing...You suck at poker. Kill yourselfSBCDCNow that is just plain rude. :cry: Pardon me for looking for some assistance. :roll: Link to post Share on other sites
Canada 0 Posted June 23, 2005 Share Posted June 23, 2005 YSAPKYSorry' date=' but I am not familiar with that acronym. :?[/quote']I'm guessing...You suck at poker. Kill yourselfSBCDCNow that is just plain rude. :cry: Pardon me for looking for some assistance. :roll:Don't get too upset. It may also be...You sure are pretty. KY-jelly? Link to post Share on other sites
Rocketwadster 0 Posted June 23, 2005 Author Share Posted June 23, 2005 Don't get too upset. It may also be...You sure are pretty. KY-jelly?Sorry, but I don't go for your back-door shenanigans... :wink: Link to post Share on other sites
Canada 0 Posted June 23, 2005 Share Posted June 23, 2005 Don't get too upset. It may also be...You sure are pretty. KY-jelly?Sorry, but I don't go for your back-door shenanigans... :wink:I wonder if its any coincidence that your '20k lube and service' is being offered to you by All-In Link to post Share on other sites
delphi512 0 Posted June 23, 2005 Share Posted June 23, 2005 This is why no one should play micro-limits.It'd be impossible for someone to take like $50 and turn into $1000 playing microlimits. People should wise up and start at 5/10 where your bets are respected and you win pots you should win.Smash are you saying this about limit or no limit? If you mean limit, then I totally agree. For nl on the other hand.... Link to post Share on other sites
Suited_Up 2 Posted June 23, 2005 Share Posted June 23, 2005 YSAPKYSorry, but I am not familiar with that acronym. :?I'm guessing...You suck at poker. Kill yourselfSBCDC I'm just taking a stab at that one.....So Blame Canada. Douche Clown. Link to post Share on other sites
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