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[TheIceman05]

MP2 is a massive fish. He's seeing something like 95% of the flops, and he's taking his hands (if you can call 37o a "hand") way too far. I find myself heads-up with his middle position limp in the big blind with A8o. Party Poker 1/2 Hold'em (9 max, 9 handed) converterPreflop: Hero is BB with [8h], [As]. 3 foldsThis is a raise against a random hand, right? How would you play all 3 streets? Ice

[TheIceman05]

Come on, assholes.Ice

[Frills]

Hammer him till he shows some stones, sure you'll take some lumps, but so will he, in the long run he'll end up looking like the elephant man.

[JaysonWeber]

TheIceman05 said:

MP2 is a massive fish. He's seeing something like 95% of the flops, and he's taking his hands (if you can call 37o a "hand") way too far. I find myself heads-up with his middle position limp in the big blind with A8o. Party Poker 1/2 Hold'em (9 max, 9 handed) converterPreflop: Hero is BB with [8h], [As]. 3 foldsThis is a raise against a random hand, right? How would you play all 3 streets? Ice

Okay IceMan... I honestly hope this is a Joke, But I don't think it is and that scares me.

[Actuary]

cap pre flopOpen Farrell the flopthats all I can say.sorry I dont play limit.

[TheIceman05]

JaysonWeber said:

Okay IceMan... I honestly hope this is a Joke, But I don't think it is and that scares me.

I'm pretty sure I'm not playing optimal poker in the big blind against 1,2,3 loose-passive-passive players.I was waiting for a "yes, easy raise" then I was going to add a second limper and eventually a third limper, and generate a discussion of BB play against mega-fish limpers with marginal hands that play poorly multiway.You quoted me in a thread last night and just said, "??" and I didn't get it.CHeers,Ice

[JaysonWeber]

TheIceman05 said:

JaysonWeber said:

Okay IceMan... I honestly hope this is a Joke, But I don't think it is and that scares me.

I'm pretty sure I'm not playing optimal poker in the big blind against 1,2,3 loose-passive-passive players.I was waiting for a "yes, easy raise" then I was going to add a second limper and eventually a third limper, and generate a discussion of BB play against mega-fish limpers with marginal hands that play poorly multiway.You quoted me in a thread last night and just said, "??" and I didn't get it.CHeers,Ice

What you said confused me, Don't remember the thread but I remember being confused by your post.If you are in a hand w/ 3 Loose-PassivePassives Bet atleast 50% of your hands, God I'd toss a bet in there and blind/raise the flop almost every time if I had a table like that.

[TheIceman05]

JaysonWeber said:

If you are in a hand w/ 3 Loose-PassivePassives Bet atleast 50% of your hands, God I'd toss a bet in there and blind/raise the flop almost every time if I had a table like that.

50%? Why are we betting the flop when we whiff and only have king hi, here? Ice

[JaysonWeber]

TheIceman05 said:

JaysonWeber said:

If you are in a hand w/ 3 Loose-PassivePassives Bet atleast 50% of your hands, God I'd toss a bet in there and blind/raise the flop almost every time if I had a table like that.

50%? Why are we betting the flop when we whiff and only have king hi, here? Ice

How does a loose-passive play a hand?

[TheIceman05]

JaysonWeber said:

How does a loose-passive play a hand?

Not tightly and not-aggressively (unless he's got a monster). Aren't we just spewing chips against fish if we bet when we miss COMPLETELY with a hand like K-hi 4 handed? Ice

[JaysonWeber]

TheIceman05 said:

JaysonWeber said:

How does a loose-passive play a hand?

Not tightly and not-aggressively (unless he's got a monster). Aren't we just spewing chips against fish if we bet when we miss COMPLETELY with a hand like K-hi 4 handed? Ice

Why? How In your original question its headsup and you have an ace against a limping fish!Your opponent hits there hadn 1/3 times on the flop headsup against you and even if he does hit a pair which is unlikely you're still drawing to something on him.A-8 or K-8 against a few loose-passives doesn't matter I will get money in against players I can outplay postflop w/ a decent hand everytime.

[TheIceman05]

JaysonWeber said:

TheIceman05 said:

JaysonWeber said:

How does a loose-passive play a hand?

Not tightly and not-aggressively (unless he's got a monster). Aren't we just spewing chips against fish if we bet when we miss COMPLETELY with a hand like K-hi 4 handed? Ice

Why? How In your original question its headsup and you have an ace against a limping fish!Your opponent hits there hadn 1/3 times on the flop headsup against you and even if he does hit a pair which is unlikely you're still drawing to something on him.A-8 or K-8 against a few loose-passives doesn't matter I will get money in against players I can outplay postflop w/ a decent hand everytime.

I guess I'm getting confused. I thought you were advocating "tossing in a bet no matter what flops" against multiple awful limpers. Yes, I bet the flop on the strength of my Ace or King high against a loose-passive player heads up. BUT, I generally look for situations in which I've caught a piece to bet for value when we're 3-4 handed.Right?

[JaysonWeber]

You give me a random starting hand that I raise w/ pre-flop w/ this situation 1-2-3 pre-flop Loose-Passives I'm gonna bet it.Odds are I had something suited, connected, a little of both, A-x, K-xs or something like that.Why are you checking?Any flop where I have something like..K 9 :heart:and the flop brings something like.... I dunno8 4 10 :spade:I will bet into a loose-passive field everytime.

[TheIceman05]

JaysonWeber said:

You give me a random starting hand that I raise w/ pre-flop w/ this situation 1-2-3 pre-flop Loose-Passives I'm gonna bet it.Odds are I had something suited, connected, a little of both, A-x, K-xs or something like that.Why are you checking?Any flop where I have something like..K :heart: 9 :heart:and the flop brings something like.... I dunno8 :heart: 4 :spade: 10 :spade:I will bet into a loose-passive field everytime.

Hmmm... I just think that we're spewing, here. Your bet has little value, because you're not going to win a quarter of the time against 3 random hands, and your bet has no expectation as a bluff. So why lead this flop??Ice

[JaysonWeber]

TheIceman05 said:

JaysonWeber said:

You give me a random starting hand that I raise w/ pre-flop w/ this situation 1-2-3 pre-flop Loose-Passives I'm gonna bet it.Odds are I had something suited, connected, a little of both, A-x, K-xs or something like that.Why are you checking?Any flop where I have something like..K 9 :heart:and the flop brings something like.... I dunno8 4 10 :spade:I will bet into a loose-passive field everytime.

Hmmm... I just think that we're spewing, here. Your bet has little value, because you're not going to win a quarter of the time against 3 random hands, and your bet has no expectation as a bluff. So why lead this flop??To thin the field w/ certain hands.To put more money in the pot when you have the best hand some times.To "semi-bluff" sometimes...W/ 1 or 2 players limping and you having a mediocre holding. If these guys are passive why aren't you going to take advantage of them folding a mid-pair to a few bets? A passive player needs to hit the flop in some shape for form to continue playing past it, Leading out here just helps you becase they think you hold a stronger hand, and they don't know pot odds enough for this to hurt you. I guess it'd be situational but if you place a bunch fo random hands here w/ 2 loose passives in the pot I'll tell you what hands I'd raise with... It's probobly more than you'd think too.Ice

[TheIceman05]

I think you're confusing passive with tight...Tight passive players fold the flop. Loose passive players do not. Tight passive players are easier to bluff.Loose passive players are not.Loose passive players are LOOSEIce

[JaysonWeber]

theiceman05 said:

generate a discussion of BB play against mega-fish limpers with marginal hands that play poorly multiway

Need I say more? That's what I am basing My play on man...You said it not me

[TheIceman05]

JaysonWeber said:

theiceman05 said:

generate a discussion of BB play against mega-fish limpers with marginal hands that play poorly multiway

Need I say more? That's what I am basing My play on man...You said it not me ;)

I just don't see how leading into a field against 3 random hands with king high can be profitable when the players acting are ultra loose. They're fish. They're loose and they're passive. So why bet when we're behind much more often than we're ahead?? A8o is a marginal hand. It plays poorly mutliway. This is what I'm talking about.I have a feeling we're not discussing the same thingIce