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[bmwguy525]

Throw out a small bet, making it maybe about 3-1 to get a call from a flush draw. If it hits (any scare card for that matter, say maybe a 9 or an A), proceed with caution.

[Daysleeper]

check and see what they do wihth the plan to go all in on the turn in the worst case

[DB10-2]

akaConditioner said:

blinds 1000 - 2000 NL holdem18000 in chipstwo callers and small blind folds out. i check my 66 in the big blind and the flop comes down 10h Kh 6show do you proceed to play the hand from here on?

a few questions, first:1. what's the avg chip stack? i assume you were relatively short?2. how many people are left? how many will cash? if you were the bb, you're now first to act post flop. you have to assume you're in the lead on this hand with a safe chance of winning it--the best you can hope for is someone with say q-10 getting two pair on the turn. that you didn't raise from the BB (the wisdom of not raising with two limpers aside) means that they probably won't see your set coming. you could throw a wishy-washy minimum bet out there or check the flop, or very dramatically push your chips in while trying to make it look like a steal. if this is an online tourney, you probably won't get any callers if you do that, so try to string the hand for value with weak leads or check-raises.

[pokerplayer24]

check the flop hope someone bets out and u push.

[DB10-2]

DB10-2 said:

akaConditioner said:

blinds 1000 - 2000 NL holdem18000 in chipstwo callers and small blind folds out. i check my 66 in the big blind and the flop comes down 10h Kh 6show do you proceed to play the hand from here on?

a few questions, first:1. what's the avg chip stack? i assume you were relatively short?2. how many people are left? how many will cash? if you were the bb, you're now first to act post flop. you have to assume you're in the lead on this hand with a safe chance of winning it--the best you can hope for is someone with say q-10 getting two pair on the turn. that you didn't raise from the BB (the wisdom of not raising with two limpers aside) means that they probably won't see your set coming. you could throw a wishy-washy minimum bet out there or check the flop, or very dramatically push your chips in while trying to make it look like a steal. if this is an online tourney, you probably won't get any callers if you do that, so try to string the hand for value with weak leads or check-raises.

wait, i didnt pay attention to the two hearts on the board. you can't afford to slow play because you won't be able to get away from your set if someone hits a flush.

[NickTheKid]

Check till the river and fold.

[cdddc75]

NickTheKid said:

Check till the river and fold.

Not bad, but I think this is a perfect flop for the openFarrell.

[dreamcaster]

With the blinds at 1000-2000 and the average having 12000 in chips (sounds like a tourney full of players who check down all the way and on the river), you would have to go all-in to grab all the bets you can to have any chance at that crapshoot game.

[lind0]

The experts will say to never slow play with any kind of draw on the board. You should definitely bet.Betting a small amount and hoping for a call would be ok, but I would probably make a big raise and hope someone thinks I'm bluffing. Worst case scenerio is you take down a small pot and you're still alive. If you let someone take a free card and make a flush, you're a gone goose. Best case scenerio is that someone with top pair or something like that thinks you're bluffing and calls, or even reraises you. If no one has anything they'll fold either way, and giving a free card is just too dangerous at that stage of the tournament.

[chindi]

Daysleeper said:

check and see what they do wihth the plan to go all in on the turn in the worst case

This seems to be a fairly bad idea. Let's say the turn is the Queen of Hearts.... that puts all sorts of limping hands in contention to have you beat and now your great flops is a 12 outter at best and possibly a huge dog against the catastrophic Ah Jh if someone was of a mind not to play it fast. Plus if you check, and they all check behind you the only way you're going to get a call on any kind of bet on the turn is if they make their hand.... since many people are less prone to gamble after the turn when their odds have missed already. Which means you either get called by a hand that has you beat.... or you watch them all fold.For me, it depends partly on the people playing as well... but most likely:I'd say you bet on the flop about 1/2 the pot, repping a hand that's good but that's afraid of the flush/straight (which is, ironically exactly what you have), they're unlikely to put you on the set since you didn't re-raise. You're likely to get a call from flush/straight draws and you might just get a re-raise from the hands that don't want alot of draws in at all (TPTK or more likely Top Two Pair). If you get the re-raise I probably push over the top all-in.Now.. it's possible (depending on the point you are in the tournament) that you get a call from everybody and you're an overall dog (not against a single player but against the total number of cards that kill you), but more than likely you get either a call from the re-raiser and that's it, and unless he's slowplaying KK or TT you're well ahead... unless he has Qh Jh .. which would be bad for you.BTW: Given what you posted before, why hasn't JWebb banned you yet?

[bmwguy525]

Jesus Christ..........Has anyone ever heard of maximum profit at this forum?? If you want some real advice I would post it in the Strategy Forum.

[NickTheKid]

cdddc75 said:

NickTheKid said:

Check till the river and fold.

Not bad, but I think this is a perfect flop for the openFarrell.

:-)

[SabaAba]

Assuming no antes, there is now $7,000 in the pot. Your stack is now 16,000. Picking up the pot right here is going to increase your stack by almost 50%. If you bet any amount, you are either going to get called or pushed all in. You are going to be pot committed to anything you bet, so just push all in and hope someone calls you with a K. I'd rather have 23,000 chips and be in better position to finish top 4 than out because I wanted to get fancy and let the guy sitting with 8h7h catch a cheap flush, or hit the gut shot straight. Also, since this is late in the tourney and the blinds are so big, if one of the callers has a small stack, under 10K, he will call you with top pair hoping you are trying to steal or hoping he gets lucky.Don't slow play in this position, you can't afford to.

[Municipal Hare]

cdddc75 said:

NickTheKid said:

Check till the river and fold.

Not bad, but I think this is a perfect flop for the openFarrell.

No, the optimal play is to weakly check-call when they hit their flush draw and openFarrell face-up when the last 6 comes on the river.

[dmoneypoker]

bmwguy525 said:

Throw out a small bet, making it maybe about 3-1 to get a call from a flush draw. If it hits (any scare card for that matter, say maybe a 9 or an A), proceed with caution.

i think that is totally ridiculous and spineless given the blinds. with only 9 bets left (18k stack in 1k-2k blinds) i bet at least the pot if not move all in right there- if someone is going to draw out on your set, MAKE THEM PAY. a feeler bet here is a weak, terrible move and if you take the pot down here, so be it. can't let em draw for cheap vs your set at this stage, time to make a move.

[kouta43]

promise you wouldnt seriously consider someone having the AH Jh for a royal flush- and msot limping hands would make maybe 2 pair at best. Stop being so weak.

[guinevar]

Obviously, the correct move is one that eliminates the correct odds for a flush. however, being apparently late in the tournament, you might be met with people who are going to call you down until the end with their flush draw. Do this:Bet out enough to ruin the correct odds for a flush. If you get any callers, especially one, consider him or them on a flush draw. If no heart falls on the turn, then your opponent knows he just has one more chance to hit his flush. This is where I would push, your advantage is the greatest here. If a heart comes, I would probably bet again but I might check to see if I had a read or an idea what this player was capable of.If you run into a greater set "that's poker."Your ideal situation is probably being against two short stacks that are both on heart draws. If it hits, you would lose a portion of your stack while still not being crippled and one opponent would be gone. There is still the chance you might fill up on the turn which could give you more confidence in betting and your opponents a better (but still second place)hand, so I would NOT move in on the flop.guinevar

[AceOfSpaiDs]

Id throw in a bet about 2/3 the size of the pot. Someone with a flush draw or K is likely to call, but cant sandbag the trips when there are hands out that can easily outdraw u if u let them. Make em pay to draw to those flushes.