NL tourney question

[hawk99 0]

stupid questions but it came up in a home game: 1. the minimum raise is either the big blind or the previous bet amount right? ie. if big blind is 10, bet is 50 then to raise you must raise to 1002. winning hands that are called always have to show BOTH cards right?

[Spidurman 0]

yes-yes (that's what show one, show all means)

[tekn0wledg 0]

Yes, the minimum raise is 1x the BB or previous bet.When hands are shown down you have your own discretion on whether you need to show your hand if you have lost. In addition you can just show one card in order to win.... Also in all-in hands you can show your handds face up once the call is made, or the same way as mentioned above.

[hawk99 0]

yes-yes (that's what show one, show all means)

actually I thought that show one, show all meant that if you showed one person your cards, you have to show everyone at the table.

[JimmyWellington 1]

yes-yes (that's what show one, show all means)

I always thought that "show one, show all" meant that if you show one person your cards, you have to show everyone. I've seen plenty of pots where the person showed the one card he needed to win the pot - 2 aces on the board, the other guy has two pair, the winner has the ace needed to win the pot. He shows him the ace, the other guy mucks.I could definitely be wrong though.

[hawk99 0]

yes-yes (that's what show one, show all means)

I always thought that "show one, show all" meant that if you show one person your cards, you have to show everyone. I've seen plenty of pots where the person showed the one card he needed to win the pot - 2 aces on the board, the other guy has two pair, the winner has the ace needed to win the pot. He shows him the ace, the other guy mucks.I could definitely be wrong though.

In my experience playing at casinos, I vaguely remember that if the winning hand only showed one of his cards, the dealer would flip the other one as well.

[Smasharoo 0]

The rule is almost allways that you have to show both, people ignore the rule all the time.

[Spidurman 0]

The rule is almost allways that  you have to show both, people ignore the rule all the time.

I just asked a buddy of mine who plays regularly at Foxwoods - the official rule is show one card, show all cards, but its poorly enforced (his words, not mine)

[tekn0wledg 0]

Tournament rulest are different however. Most cardrooms don't require you show all cards in tournaments, at least from what I have seen. Granted, that's only four or five casinos....

[JTPHS 0]

Playing in Canada, Brantford Casino, they wont give you the pot unless you show both cards on showdown.. it's for the camera's i think. I've seen this enforced many times. Of course this may not hold true everywhere.However, show one show all I believe is if you show your cards to someone you must show them to everyone. I was telling my buddy this today actually becuase he was in a hand where on the river, the guy was doing an acting job and had his cards up for where his half of the table could see them and I told him that he could ask to see those cards right there because they've become exposed. I've had dealers say this before when sitting at a table. "Hide your cards, sir, or they will be shown"

[hawk99 0]

Playing in Canada, Brantford Casino, they wont give you the pot unless you show both cards on showdown.. it's for the camera's i think.  I've seen this enforced many times.  Of course this may not hold true everywhere.However, show one show all I believe is if you show your cards to someone you must show them to everyone.  I was telling my buddy this today actually becuase he was in a hand where on the river, the guy was doing an acting job and had his cards up for where his half of the table could see them and I told him that he could ask to see those cards right there because they've become exposed.  I've had dealers say this before when sitting at a table.  "Hide your cards, sir, or they will be shown"

thanks for all the replies guys. Where I've played it's always been show both cards, for the cameras I believe as well.

[Smasharoo 0]

Tournament rulest are different however. Most cardrooms don't require you show all cards in tournaments, at least from what I have seen. Granted, that's only four or five casinos....Actually they probably do, but people ignore the rule.Look, you can ask to see both cards of the LOSING hand at a showdown, clearly you can ask to see the other card of a winning hand. People just don't bother most of the time.

[hawk99 0]

Tournament rulest are different however. Most cardrooms don't require you show all cards in tournaments, at least from what I have seen. Granted, that's only four or five casinos....Actually they probably do, but people ignore the rule.Look, you can ask to see both cards of the LOSING hand at a showdown, clearly you can ask to see the other card of a winning hand.  People just don't bother most of the time.

It was a home game, and I asked the guy (winning hand - who was called) to see the other card. He refused and made a big deal of it. I didn't think it was a big deal since everytime I've played at a casino a called winning hand showed both cards.

[Spidurman 0]

Tournament rulest are different however. Most cardrooms don't require you show all cards in tournaments, at least from what I have seen. Granted, that's only four or five casinos....Actually they probably do, but people ignore the rule.Look, you can ask to see both cards of the LOSING hand at a showdown, clearly you can ask to see the other card of a winning hand.  People just don't bother most of the time.

Losing hand is only supposed to be asked if you are concerned he's dumping chips to the winner.

[scottrude 0]

At the very least it is in poor taste not to show both. It is almost always a rule that you must. And you can ask to see a called hand even if its a loser. That rule is in affect only to prevent cheating like collusion and is in poor taste as well to ask for it if you don't suspect such a thing. It is not appropriate to ask to see such cards to gain knowledge about how a player plays....

[Pupsta 0]

At the very least it is in poor taste not to show both. It is almost always a rule that you must. And you can ask to see a called hand even if its a loser. That rule is in affect only to prevent cheating like collusion and is in poor taste as well to ask for it if you don't suspect such a thing. It is not appropriate to ask to see such cards to gain knowledge about how a player plays....

I really don't understand why it's "not appropriate" to do it to gain knowledge. Seems like an ignorant unwritten rule.

[Spidurman 0]

At the very least it is in poor taste not to show both. It is almost always a rule that you must. And you can ask to see a called hand even if its a loser. That rule is in affect only to prevent cheating like collusion and is in poor taste as well to ask for it if you don't suspect such a thing. It is not appropriate to ask to see such cards to gain knowledge about how a player plays....

I really don't understand why it's "not appropriate" to do it to gain knowledge. Seems like an ignorant unwritten rule.

Because its knowledge that you don't have to have, and part of poker is denial of information.

[deadlysyns 0]

1. if big blind is 10 and there is a raise of 50 the next mininum raise is 90. 2. both cards must be shown to win a hand.

[Smasharoo 0]

Losing hand is only supposed to be asked if you are concerned he's dumping chips to the winner./shrug, whatever. I've never seen a casino rule or a tournament rule writen anywhere that says that you can opt NOT to show part of a shown down winning hand if asked.Ever.If you know of one, let me know.

[scottrude 0]

Unfortunately if you go to low limit tables people do it all the time, but in high limit it is almost unheard of. (Asking to see a called losing hand). It just has to deal with the caliber of player you are, and of those you are playing against. Basically by asking you are gaining knowlegde about their strategy you shouldn't have access to - bottom line. The rule is in place to help people break up team play which is a valid concern...

[jklimtsc 0]

You do have to show both cards to take down a pot if you are called, unless someone calls you and you show him the one card you need to win and he then mucks his hand so you are actually taking the pot uncontested. Second, there is nothing wrong with asking to see a hand of someone who has called the last bet. Gaining information about your opponents play is very important in Hold'em and when they make that call on the river they have invited you to see their hand. If they try to muck their hand ask to see it every time. It's nice to know when you have an opponent calling you down with only an inside straight draw, or a small pocket pair when there are three overcards on board. If you don't ask to see the cards you are giving your opponent an advantage, afterall he got to see yours right?

[Nacho 0]

smash is right...Flip 'em

[scottrude 0]

You do have to show both cards to take down a pot if you are called, unless someone calls you and you show him the one card you need to win and he then mucks his hand so you are actually taking the pot uncontested.  Second, there is nothing wrong with asking to see a hand of someone who has called the last bet. Gaining information about your opponents play is very important in Hold'em and when they make that call on the river they have invited you to see their hand. If they try to muck their hand ask to see it every time. It's nice to know when you have an opponent calling you down with only an inside straight draw, or a small pocket pair when there are three overcards on board. If you don't ask to see the cards you are giving your opponent an advantage, afterall he got to see yours right?

WOW, you could not be more wrong. Would love to get Chris' of Daniels opinion on this.

[Eclypse 0]

NO ONE is going to show me only one card and take the pot. If I paid to see a hand, I'm gonna' see the whole thing.And, I'm pretty sure it's an official rule in both cash and tournament games.

[scottrude 0]

I have never been in a situation where both cards aren't made to be shown, but I'm from the west where people used to get shot for that sort of thing. In addition to the other topic. Can anyone name a time where they saw a top pro ask to see a losing hand that was called after they showed a winner..... Pretty sure the answer is either no or someone is not telling the truth..