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[monoatomic]

I wanted to post a stud hand here but since you really can't see the rest of the cards and why the betting is going like it is I will just state that I bet or raised every possible time. Question is do I slow down when his 2's trip up fearing he has a boat or should I still bet and raise knowing that I have his trip dueces beat.kbyte69 shows [ ,2h, 2d, 2s, Jd, ] His downcards I will fill in later.Monoatomic72 shows [ Ks, Kh, Kc, 9s, 3h, 4s, 7h ] three of a kind, kings.

[custom36]

Can you take his 3 down cards out so that you don't get results-oriented thinking? (And also any bias to the result of the hand) I'm not even going to look at the hands because I want to give you good advice.

[Smasharoo]

do I slow down when his 2's trip up fearing he has a boat or should I still bet and raise knowing that I have his trip dueces beat. How many Ks do you have on the board?

[monoatomic]

just one. I had rolled up kings to start the hand.

[Smasharoo]

just one. I had rolled up kings to start the hand.Well, if you've shown agression and he has 3 2ueces on the board he has to know that you think you can beat that so slowing downs not a bad idea. You have to think you're drawing to a FH and check the river for sure.

[custom36]

Yeah, unless he's showing some kind of aggression, I like the betting. I may check the river - but I'm probably betting that as well, minus any reads.

[monoatomic]

The reason I didn't slow down is because of what I had showing. There was no way until his trips dueces hit that he knew I might have three kings. Up until that point I had K 9 3 as my up cards, if he put me on split kings and his 2's trip up, then he's got to think he is ahead no matter what. 5th street was capped and 6th street he three bet and I called. River he bet and I raised he 3-bet again and I called.

[custom36]

monoatomic said:

5th street was capped and 6th street he three bet and I called. River he bet and I raised he 3-bet again and I called.

Ehh, I'm just calling his river bet. The other streets look fine.

[Smasharoo]

Up until that point I had K 9 3 as my up cards, if he put me on split kings and his 2's trip up, then he's got to think he is ahead no matter what.If he's three-betting or capping with 222 showing and you have a ragged board he can beat KKK.Unless he thinks you're a complete fish or blind.

[MrNiceGuy]

monoatomic said:

The reason I didn't slow down is because of what I had showing. There was no way until his trips dueces hit that he knew I might have three kings. Up until that point I had K 9 3 as my up cards, if he put me on split kings and his 2's trip up, then he's got to think he is ahead no matter what. 5th street was capped and 6th street he three bet and I called. River he bet and I raised he 3-bet again and I called.

He had trip deuces showing on 5th? If so, then I think you brutally overplayed the hand on 5th and 6th, unless you know him to be some kind of idiot.The instant you raise him, he will know that you can beat his board, and he will reraise if he's full (or has quads) and will presumably call down UI otherwise. If your read is that he probably did not have a pair on third, then I would raise him once, on 5th. He will likely call if he's not full and will likely raise if he is. (Your board and your raise make it obvious that you either have better trips or are making an insane bluff.) If he 3-bets, he's either full or he's a moron (or he could be both, of course) - you need to just call down UI from there. If you believe he most likely did start with a pair on 3rd, then I'd just call down UI without ever raising.

[TS Clark]

Smasharoo said:

just one. I had rolled up kings to start the hand.Well, if you've shown agression and he has 3 2ueces on the board he has to know that you think you can beat that so slowing downs not a bad idea.  You have to think you're drawing to a FH and check the river for sure.

Of course, this question becomes much more clearcut if you've seen the fourth 2 out there. If this is the case, then he's drawing (or has made) to a smaller full house and you're right to draw (especially if the cards you need to fill up are mostly live). You have lots of outs to fill up. I don't cap on 6th, though. That's way too aggressive. When you raise into his board and he pops you back, you know you are 100% drawing at that point.Smash is absolutely about the river. You have to assume that he's filled up (and probably filled up well before 7th) or has quads. If you didn't get there on 7th, you have to check and call. As others have said, he can most likely beat trips. With rolled-up kings, you can't go into check and call mode early in the hand, but on the river (and to some extent on 6th) you have to.Hope you took the pot down, but I'd be shocked it you did, given the betting by him (unless the guy is a total fish -- which is reasonably likely given you're playing .50-1 stud).

[garamond10pt]

Were you playing heads up or in a ring game?Either way, you probably can push things one way or another with how 3rd street played out. Heads up, would he call a complete without a pair? If it's a ring game, how many others called 3rd?

[monoatomic]

There were 4 people in the pot till 5th street when the trip dueces hit then it was just me and him 6th and river.End of the hand was as follows.kbyte69 shows [ 6d, 8c, 2h, 2d, 2s, Jd, Jh ] a full house, Twos full of jacks.Monoatomic72 shows [ Ks, Kh, Kc, 9s, 3h, 4s, 7h ] three of a kind, kings.