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[shortfuze]

Question for you limit masters.In 6 max lhe tables (low limit UB), are you raising hands such as AQo-AT0 if it hasn't been raised before you? What about small pocket pairs such as 55-99 on the button. These are some of the hands I'm having trouble with since lhe is a new beast for me. Seems like people limp with any ace in those games so it should pay off in the long run to get the bets in with what is usually the best hand though it hasn't really worked for me so far. I am currently reading SSHE. I expect that to help out greatly but what other advice do you guys have for the shorthanded tables? thanks.-shortfuze

[Big Country]

I raise those hands, especially shorthanded.My trouble shorthanded comes with those low to medium pairs as well, as more often than not you are ahead preflop, but as a lot of players pretty much call with any ace, any suited king and any 2 cards above a 10 (or so it seems), a lot of flops are dangerous for those medium pairs as any overcard can end up beating you and you aren't going to be getting enouh callers to keep drawing for a set.So, to answer your questions, the AQ-ATo are raises shorthanded in my book as they are likely to be best preflop and easy to get away from if the flop completely misses. The low-medium pais I raise with on the button if folded to me, but I find them very tricky to play due to the natur of play at the low-limit shorthanded tables.Hopefully some more responses on the matter come in to help.

[Absolute]

yes, you want to open raise any AQo-ATo in any position six handed.there are differing playing styles, but i will open raise a LOT of hands on the button.basically any two suited cards ten or greater or any pair. there are a few outside these paramters, but i think these are good starting guidelines for playing the button 6 handed.You still want to tighten up in early position.

[shortfuze]

Another question,will you reraise the AQo-ATo hands with a rasie in front of you if you're going to have position on the initial raiser? my guess is no, and occasionally with a read on someone i will even fold the AT-AJo but that seems tight for a 6 max table as some people will cap the betting with pocket threes. I just haven't played enough to get a feel for these types of situations that i feel more comfortable with in NL. i have completely switched over to limit online, even though i still prefer nl live so this all very interesting for me.-shortfuze

[dms26]

shortfuze said:

Another question,will you reraise the AQo-ATo hands with a rasie in front of you if you're going to have position on the initial raiser? my guess is no, and occasionally with a read on someone i will even fold the AT-AJo but that seems tight for a 6 max table as some people will cap the betting with pocket threes. I just haven't played enough to get a feel for these types of situations that i feel more comfortable with in NL. i have completely switched over to limit online, even though i still prefer nl live so this all very interesting for me.-shortfuze

Depends a lot on the player, but in general I don't like calling a raise with ATo, but would raise with it myself in late position shorthanded. I'd most likely just call with AQ and reraise with AK. Reraise eith AQ if it will thin the field and get you heads up with a frequent raiser.

[Absolute]

dms26 said:

shortfuze said:

Another question,will you reraise the AQo-ATo hands with a rasie in front of you if you're going to have position on the initial raiser? my guess is no, and occasionally with a read on someone i will even fold the AT-AJo but that seems tight for a 6 max table as some people will cap the betting with pocket threes. I just haven't played enough to get a feel for these types of situations that i feel more comfortable with in NL. i have completely switched over to limit online, even though i still prefer nl live so this all very interesting for me.-shortfuze

Depends a lot on the player, but in general I don't like calling a raise with ATo, but would raise with it myself in late position shorthanded. I'd most likely just call with AQ and reraise with AK. Reraise eith AQ if it will thin the field and get you heads up with a frequent raiser.

fold AT two cold 6 handed. AJ too for that matter.

[wrto4556]

3-bet AJo in 6-max games.

[TheIceman05]

wrto4556 said:

3-bet AJo in 6-max games.

I'm raising with quite a few hands that are way behind AJ... AT, KT, KQ, TJs, etc.... So AJ is probably a 3 bet if you've got a decent read on the player. I'm terrible shorthanded, by the way, and it's killing me insideIce

[Smasharoo]

In 6 max lhe tables (low limit UB), are you raising hands such as AQo-AT0 if it hasn't been raised before you?You're kidding, right?Of course you're raising those. You're three-betting a lot of them to isolate lose raisers too.Or you should be.You're open raisig with everything, I hope. Blinds should almost never see a free flop in six-max if you're in the hand.

[Smasharoo]

I'm terrible shorthanded, by the way, and it's killing me inside It's mostly about blind defense.Other than that it's 10 handed without early non blind positions, so while you'd play more hands UTG in six max than in 10 handed, you shouldn't be raising K9.

[potpumper43]

I'd say if the pot is folded to you and you have a playable hand (A10 or better or suited ace, pair 55 or better, good connector hand 89 or higher), shoot it up short handed. The key to winning short handed is basically to outgamble the tighter players and be smarter than the other loose players after the flop. Even though the connector hands, weaker suited aces, and lower pairs don't seem like raising hands, taking the initiative short handed is paramount. Don't follow this advice if you don't have the stomach or bankroll for wild variance. You are going to see some wild swings depending on the cards, but if you are competent, the wild swings up are substantial. Learn to be a smart semi-maniac (read LAG) in short games. Jam it.

[idiotbocs]

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It's mostly about blind defense.

100% accurate.

[bascomeb]

Absolute said:

yes, you want to open raise any AQo-ATo in any position six handed.there are differing playing styles, but i will open raise a LOT of hands on the button.basically any two suited cards ten or greater or any pair. there are a few outside these paramters, but i think these are good starting guidelines for playing the button 6 handed.You still want to tighten up in early position.

you suck CO.CK

[shortfuze]

Smasharoo said:

In 6 max lhe tables (low limit UB), are you raising hands such as AQo-AT0 if it hasn't been raised before you?You're kidding, right?Of course you're raising those.  You're three-betting a lot of them to isolate lose raisers too.Or you should be.You're open raisig with everything, I hope.  Blinds should almost never see a free flop in six-max if you're in the hand.

I wasn't kidding about the question. I have been open raising those hands every time and capping the bet when it's reraised if it's just me and one other person. So far it hasn't paid off but I'm not real worried about that since the number of hands we're talking about is probably under 5000 or so (and I'm still managing to win while adjusting to the switch). As I said, I'm new to online limit and I've probably only logged 30 hours of live limit 4-8 (which is probably about the same as the .25-.50 online, pretty bad), i know there are many good limit players on fcp so that's why I asked. Anyway, I think i have more problems with the smaller pairs than I do with anything else. it seems to me that if an ace or a king hit the flop or turn you are usually dead with those hands and some people will ride that A to the river. Anytime I'm in a hand with more than one person and an A hits, i usually let it go. occasionally there is an opportunity to represent a big hand when a scare card hits but more often than not people seem willing to pay to see what you have if it's only 1 bb to them, as they probably should in 6 max. well thanks for the responses anyway, it is helping me.-shortfuze

[Smasharoo]

I wasn't kidding about the question. I have been open raising those hands every time and capping the bet when it's reraised if it's just me and one other person.Why?

[shortfuze]

Well i guess i should be keeping more people in since it's a drawing hand, correct? and only three betting to isolate the raiser in front of me and keeping the people behind me out of the hand. makes sense to me. later.-shortfuze