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[HangukMiguk]

Sorry, this is Noble poker, not a Hand converter compatible site, so I'll just pull it out in the play by playI'm UTG+1 LHE, I get dealt 7:club: 7:heart:UTG calls, I raise, 4 callers.Flop comes 7:spade: J:heart: J:spade:SB checks, UTG checks, I bet, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, SB Raises, UTG folds, everyone else calls.Turn comes 10 :diamond:SB bets, everyone calls.River comes 8:club:SB bets, I call, MP1 folds, MP2 calls.Total in pot: 16 BB (Not including the dead blind).My bet on the flop was to get information on where I stood in the hand. When SB raised, considering this was a rather loose table, I put him on trips or a higher full house. So I was of course guessing J7, or AJ, maybe KJ.I'm not so much worried about MP1 or MP2 so much, because they didn't 3-bet.On the turn, when he bet out, I didn't want to raise into a higher full house, so I just called, not wanting to lose more than I should if he does have the J7, which was a possibility.Same with the river.Did I play too cautiously on this hand? I have a history on hands like this, where my worst beats have come when I have a full house, and someone has the higher one. Which is why I do tense up and tend to flat call if I don't have the best of the boat.Let me know guys, and what do you guys think they have?

[allinbluff35]

don't post results

[HangukMiguk]

sorry, i'll take them down

[PrtyPSux]

dont raise PF, 3bet the Sb's C/r. this will not only represent strength but it will get you 2 more bets from the flush draws. the turn is dangerous cuz people love j-10, if you 3 bet the flop and he caps and leads the turn I honestly wouldnt know weather a raise or a call are good. but since you didnt 3 bet the flop I think you might have to raise the turn. honestly the turn is the hardest part for me in limit, I would like to see what the rest think. But Im pretty sure u shouldnt be raising 77 UTG+1 in a loose table, you have no position. Im also pretty sure you're ahead on the flop, so 3betting would probably be correct.

[Kendren]

I think you 3-bet that flop every single time.

[Vade]

3- bet the flop, raise the turn and see from there.Edited because people DO love J-10

[Allie]

Personally, I hammer that pot hard all the way. Absolutely 3 bet the flop....with your 77, what better flop do you want? You've got anyone with a J right where you want them, with all those str8 draws coming along for the ride. Could the guy with the J (assuming he's got one, checking raising the flop reeks of that) hit his other card and make a bigger full??....well sure, but that's the chance I would have to take on this hand. I understand being worried about a bigger full....but in this case, with that flop and the rest of the board encouraging all those str8's....I throw caution to the wind and bet my hand hard. Also, raising preflop with 77 in early pos....arguments for both....with a loose table, I likely don't raise....but I don't think it's incorrect either. Another post suggests that you don't have "position", but raising in early position, is in part to attempt to thin the field.....difficult at a loose table, but not necessarily an incorrect play. And if you raise, and DON'T thin out those loose players, then you have built a nice pot if you hit your hand...which you did! Of course, having said all this, you probably lost the pot LOL. However, I still stand behind my opinion of how I would play this hand....it's a juicy one that deserves to be played aggressively.

[DKE_XP120]

Vade said:

3- bet the flop, raise the turn and see from there.Edited because people DO love J-10

And dont raise preflop

[PrtyPSux]

Allie said:

Another post suggests that you don't have "position", but raising in early position, is in part to attempt to thin the field.....difficult at a loose table, but not necessarily an incorrect play.  And if you raise, and DON'T thin out those loose players, then you have built a nice pot if you hit your hand...which you did!  .

forget thinning the field, 77 thrives on more opponents, you want to get a cheap flop w/ a lot of people, there is no value in the raie IMO. Say you do raise and succesfully thin the field to 2 opponents, the flop comes J610, your screwed and you spent half a BB on it. Try to get in there cheap, if you flop a set you have a bunch of people in, and if you dont you get out and spend less. 7's dont hold up by themselves often enough to justify a raise.

[PrtyPSux]

edit] double post

[HangukMiguk]

Thanks for the useful input, next time this situation comes around, I'm going to remember this, and play the situation better.Is it now safe for me to say what the players did have?Or does anyone else have some useful input to add before I do?

[Allie]

I'd like to hear what they had. :-)

[Allie]

PrtyPSux said:

Allie said:

Another post suggests that you don't have "position", but raising in early position, is in part to attempt to thin the field.....difficult at a loose table, but not necessarily an incorrect play.  And if you raise, and DON'T thin out those loose players, then you have built a nice pot if you hit your hand...which you did!  .

forget thinning the field, 77 thrives on more opponents, you want to get a cheap flop w/ a lot of people, there is no value in the raie IMO. Say you do raise and succesfully thin the field to 2 opponents, the flop comes J610, your screwed and you spent half a BB on it. Try to get in there cheap, if you flop a set you have a bunch of people in, and if you dont you get out and spend less. 7's dont hold up by themselves often enough to justify a raise.

In the sentence before the part of my post that you quoted, I said I likely don't raise here....and essentially I agree with what you're saying. This play works better at a tighter, higher limit table, where you might bet out the flop, regardless of what comes, representing something larger, and have everyone fold....I was basically saying there was some argument to both ways....but I agree, I prefer to play smaller pocket pairs with a limp and hope to hit flop.

[HangukMiguk]

MP2 had 10 6:club:SB had K:club: J:diamond:How MP2 called twice on the flop with T6 is beyond me, more justified (but still rather stupid, considering the calls he made on the flop, imo) on the turn.

[Allie]

HangukMiguk said:

MP2 had 10 6:club:SB had K:club: J:diamond:How MP2 called twice on the flop with T6 is beyond me, more justified (but still rather stupid, considering the calls he made on the flop, imo) on the turn.

Nice hand. :-) MP2 = very scary playerMy read on the situation was correct....sweet flop....hammer the pot!

[Vade]

PrtyPSux said:

Allie said:

Another post suggests that you don't have "position", but raising in early position, is in part to attempt to thin the field.....difficult at a loose table, but not necessarily an incorrect play.  And if you raise, and DON'T thin out those loose players, then you have built a nice pot if you hit your hand...which you did!  .

forget thinning the field, 77 thrives on more opponents, you want to get a cheap flop w/ a lot of people, there is no value in the raie IMO. Say you do raise and succesfully thin the field to 2 opponents, the flop comes J610, your screwed and you spent half a BB on it. Try to get in there cheap, if you flop a set you have a bunch of people in, and if you dont you get out and spend less. 7's dont hold up by themselves often enough to justify a raise.

77 should be raised from Button and CO alwaysMP...kinda depends on the table...I'd probably raise it against a loose tableJust call from UTG and UTG+1