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[Patricnz]

please do not flame this is just some things ive been thinking abouti am about to start playing 2 tables of 5 cent 10 cent no limit on fulltilt on a regular basis with 10 on each table some concepts i have been thinking about standard pre flop play ABC pokerpost flop though this is where it gets tricky here are some concepts that you may think are stupid but here they areto protect information about your hand 4 people in the pot on the flop raise 1/3 pot with anything because if you get re raised or just get called you lose 1/3 pot when you fold say they fold then you gain with hands or without them they will have to guess wheter to call or not and when you get re raised or called with a far superior hand which will happen a lot at that limit i pressume you will gain this will get players to mostly pay off your good hands and you can just fold if you get re raised or called you are most likely drawing to reasonable outs this protects all information about your flop strength because if you stick to the system they have no way of knowing 3 in the pot= 1/3- 1/2 pot bet 2 in the pot- always pot bet this is only if you are first to act or it is checked to you if you are faced with a call, fold or re raise situation you play accordingly to the tendencies of your opponents, pre flop information and prior hand information from notesagain please dont flame just give your opinions on it without calling me an idiot its just something i thought could work at low stakes for 2 tabling - 4 tabling patrick.

[Patricnz]

sorry its very flawed but you know what i mean....im too tired to edit it

[TJ_Eckleburg]

Just out of curiosity...What's wrong with making pot-sized bets when the situation calls for it, and making checks when the situation calls for it?Maybe I didn't understand clearly... but you're advocating betting a certain amount based on the number of people in the pot if it's checked to you... what if there's a bet to you by the time it gets to you?My opinion is that 1/3 pot bets aren't usually worth while because it won't drive anybody out that needs to be getting out.Just my $.02...

[dms26]

I don't think that system will work well at all. 1/3 pot bet is not going to drive anyone out if they have anything on the flop. ABC is the best way to play at low limits, but I don't think you can say that betting the same amount whether you hit the flop or not is the right approach.Basically a lot of these players are calling stations, they will call you down with middle pair or inside straight draws. You want to push hard when you think you have a big edge because bad players will still pay you off with little to no chance of winning.You're going to get called way too much when you bet 1/3 or 1/2 the pot, and most of the time you're not going to have anything. That's chip spewing.

[econ_tim]

I wouldn't worry about protecting information about your hand as much as protecting the hand itself.In small no limit games, you need to bet the flop (between 3/4 to the size of the pot) when you make good but vulnerable hands. Take advantage of other players ridiculously small bets to draw out on them. Just play straightforward poker and you can beat these games.

[Smasharoo]

Play only pocket pairs and ace high flush draws.Push with KK and AA.Limp with everything else.When you make a nut flush, push.when you make a full house, push.Have a book to read between hands.Colect money.

[TheIceman05]

Smasharoo said:

Play only pocket pairs and ace high flush draws.Push with KK and AA.Limp with everything else.When you make a nut flush, push.when you make a full house, push.Have a book to read between hands.Colect money.

I rarely agree with Mr.Roo in a way that could be considered "wholeheartedly" but this is just horribly true. It's boring, you don't get any better, and you're definitely not maximizing your winnings, but the players are so bad that you can win a boatload. The most important part is the book. May I reccomend "Johnathan Strange and Mr. Norrell"? It's a delightfully cheeky romp about a wizard residing in London at the turn of the 19th century. Good fun, I say. Just don't read a poker book, because then you'll get excited about "slowplaying" and "setting traps." Bad form.Ice

[DCWildcat]

Smasharoo said:

Play only pocket pairs and ace high flush draws.Push with KK and AA.Limp with everything else.When you make a nut flush, push.when you make a full house, push.Have a book to read between hands.Colect money.

That's pretty interesting. How profitable do you expect that to be, and to what stakes can you apply that approach and still make a profit?

[Smasharoo]

How profitable do you expect that to be, and to what stakes can you apply that approach and still make a profit?Dunno. Depends on game selection, I guess. Any game where underflushes will call a push, QQ will call an all in pre-flop or trips or a flush will call a push from a full house, AA will call a push froma set, whatever.$100 buy in at least, I'd think.Takes patience though.

[PrtyPSux]

Smasharoo said:

How profitable do you expect that to be, and to what stakes can you apply that approach and still make a profit?Dunno.  Depends on game selection, I guess.  Any game where underflushes will call a push, QQ will call an all in pre-flop or trips or a flush will call a push from a full house, AA will call a push froma set, whatever.$100 buy in at least, I'd think.Takes patience though.

tried that,here are my results:$25 NL on party,,works pretty well.$25 NL pokerroom, works sometimes, really really reaaaaally boring, because when you finally do get aces or a set, everyone will fold %70 of the time, and %40 of the times you do get called, its by a $5-$10 stack and some times get outdrawn.$50-$100 NL tried it on PR..doesnt work..maybe it does on partylive at Morongo Casino's 1-2 NL, works every time, no matter what..I had a table where the dudes were telling me I was the tightest player on the table, when I did go all in, out of the 3 times I did I got called all 3, once I went in a/ Aces and got called by JJ and QQ, once I went in w/ AKh in a 7h 3h 10h flop and got called by 10d ,Jh the dude was drunk and swore he had a flush..YES, WITH HIS TEN ON BOARD!..anyway I went up 500 bucks but then lost it all in that AA hand when a J fell on the turn..anyway, thats just my experience, if I could make adjustments it would be to play AK and AQ, and play a few other hands regularly, AJ and QQ are good candidates, this way you dont make this strat that obvious (which is one of the downsides about it) I would also stop limping w/ anything less than A8s pot odds in NL are way too easy to control, so while you will flop a fush draw semi-often, you wont be able to chase a lot.and I have a couple of questions for Smash..Do you mean push everytime its to you? even if you're first to act? no situation where you would slowplay a bit? and what do you do at an overly LAG table (most profitable for this strategy IMO) when there are PF raises every hand, how do you play PP's 22-QQ every time its raised?ty.

[Patricnz]

thanks for your opinions i agree it is stupid now after going over it 1/3 pot bets are worthless 1/2 pot bet or don't bet at all

[Smasharoo]

Do you mean push everytime its to you? even if you're first to act? no situation where you would slowplay a bit? I just mean get all the money in eventually.and what do you do at an overly LAG table (most profitable for this strategy IMO) when there are PF raises every hand, how do you play PP's 22-QQ every time its raisedCall if the implied odds are there and fade the variance.Obviously don't cal 30BB raises with 22.

[Patricnz]

econ_tim said:

I wouldn't worry about protecting information about your hand as much as protecting the hand itself.In small no limit games, you need to bet the flop (between 3/4 to the size of the pot) when you make good but vulnerable hands.  Take advantage of other players ridiculously small bets to draw out on them.  Just play straightforward poker and you can beat these games.

ive beaten these games before 5 cent 10 cent NL started with 5 worked it up to 80 after two days thought i was really good sat at a .5/1NL heads up and got cleaned out by bad beats and stupid plays...i was an idiot a month ago....i made the mistake of reading TOP and holdem for advanced players which isnt even no limit focused anyway...but i have ordered SSHE...here in a week

[Smasharoo]

but i have ordered SSHE...here in a weekSSHE isn't going to help your NL game much.

[Patricnz]

really...what do you suggest?kappa1873 (Josh) is helping me out

[PrtyPSux]

Smasharoo said:

Do you mean push everytime its to you? even if you're first to act? no situation where you would slowplay a bit? I just mean get all the money in eventually.

oh ook.

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and what do you do at an overly LAG table (most profitable for this strategy IMO) when there are PF raises every hand, how do you play PP's 22-QQ every time its raisedCall if the implied odds are there and fade the variance.Obviously don't cal 30BB raises with 22.

I think for the morongo game i said it was 1-2 its 2-5 now that I remember, and almost every hand there are 30 - 50 raises PF no joke, makes it hard to call even w/ 10-10..btw, did you ever find a cash game here in LA?

[Smasharoo]

btw, did you ever find a cash game here in LA?I was there for about 3 days and had to come back to Boston.So, no.

[PrtyPSux]

Patricnz said:

really...what do you suggest?kappa1873 (Josh) is helping me out

definately not SSHE :-) .. but I heard Haringtons book is great, its in the mail for me and I cant wait to read it. when I first started I watched Howard Ledderer's videos and my game boosted up ALOT, the play he recommends isnt the best, but he gives you a good preflop strat. You'll eventually learn and adjust it its a decent video though. Dont read supersystem until you're playing 2-4NL or more, another really good player told me Helmuths book was great for low limit NL. I dont know...hope that helped a bit

[Patricnz]

really...what do you suggest?

[PrtyPSux]

Smasharoo said:

btw, did you ever find a cash game here in LA?I was there for about 3 days and had to come back to Boston.So, no.

3 days no poker...is that possible? hope you hit up the commerce at least :-)