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[Tabulus]

Converted and in the right forum. Just looking for feedback.PokerStars 0.05/0.10 Hold'em (9 handed) Preflop: Hero is MP1 with Q:spade:, Q:club:. UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, Hero raises, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, Button calls, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls.Flop: (25.40 SB) 8:club:, 5:club:, 4:club: (6 players)UTG checks, UTG+1 checks, Hero bets, MP3 calls, Button folds, UTG folds, UTG+1 calls, Hero calls.Turn: (16.70 BB) J:heart: (4 players)UTG+1 checks, Hero checks, MP2 bets, MP3 calls, UTG+1 calls, Hero calls.River: (20.70 BB) 5:spade: (4 players)UTG+1 checks, Hero checks, MP2 bets, MP3 folds, UTG+1 folds, Hero calls.Final Pot: 22.70 BBThanks in advance for any replies.

[Smasharoo]

eh. It's ok.No other way to play it really, what was your question?

[TJ_Eckleburg]

Maybe this is a leak in my game, but I woulda gone crazy on that flop jamming. I don't particularly want a lot of naked clubs drawing at me, or all those stray overcards out there possibly waiting to pair up.Welcome to the forum, by the way.

[Absolute]

Leading the turn might be better.What hands do you think beat you at this point?Any stats on the player?

[Tabulus]

Leading the turn might be better. What hands do you think beat you at this point? Any stats on the player?I should lead the turn after being raised on the flop? I was confused by the fact that the flop raiser called two cold preflop, and then raised that board. I don't understand why I should lead on the turn.I was worried about a made flush with so many players in the hand, and maybe KK or AA from the preflop 3-bettor who called two cold on the flop.Maybe I'm just being too scared of a 3 flush board.

[Tabulus]

No other way to play it really, what was your question?Well at first I was worried that calling it down after having it played back at me was wrong on that board. Now that I look at it though I feel that the pot is large enough to warrant it. Is this correct thinking? Or are my chances to win too slim to call it down?

[custom36]

Tabulus said:

Maybe I'm just being too scared of a 3 flush board.

Bingo.Lead the turn. If you're raised on the turn, call down.

[princeof56k]

TJ_Eckleburg said:

Maybe this is a leak in my game, but I woulda gone crazy on that flop jamming.  I don't particularly want a lot of naked clubs drawing at me, or all those stray overcards out there possibly waiting to pair up.Welcome to the forum, by the way.

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Flop: (25.40 SB) 8, 5, 4 (6 players)  UTG checks, UTG+1 checks, Hero bets, MP2 raises, MP3 calls, Button folds, UTG folds, UTG+1 calls, Hero calls.

By jam on the flop do you mean re-raise? Since someone raised right after he bet, I think thats enough to force out any clubs that actually CAN be forced out. My guess is that a lot of them will call anyways. I dont see any reason to re-raise here.

[cdddc75]

Tabulus said:

No other way to play it really, what was your question?Well at first I was worried that calling it down after having it played back at me was wrong on that board. Now that I look at it though I feel that the pot is large enough to warrant it. Is this correct thinking? Or are my chances to win too slim to call it down?

Folding for single bets on the turn and river in this pot would be terrible. You only have to have your queens hold up 9% of the time or so to make calling worthwhile.

[Absolute]

cdddc75 said:

Tabulus said:

No other way to play it really, what was your question?Well at first I was worried that calling it down after having it played back at me was wrong on that board. Now that I look at it though I feel that the pot is large enough to warrant it. Is this correct thinking? Or are my chances to win too slim to call it down?

Folding for single bets on the turn and river in this pot would be terrible. You only have to have your queens hold up 9% of the time or so to make calling worthwhile.

i think he missed a couple bets.

[Smasharoo]

I should lead the turn after being raised on the flop? I was confused by the fact that the flop raiser called two cold preflop, and then raised that board. I don't understand why I should lead on the turn. You shouldn't.The river maybe, though.

[Tabulus]

The river maybe, though.Because the flush missed?

[Smasharoo]

Because the flush missed?Right.The flop raise is AsX a lot of the time, and you might get a call from AJ or something that might otherwise check because of the flop action.

[princeof56k]

Absolute said:

Leading the turn might be better.What hands do you think beat you at this point?Any stats on the player?

Why would you lead the turn? Most of the time I would just go into call down mode after te flop raise. I figure either someone made the flush or has a A or K of clubs for a better draw. Throw in sets, AA, or KK, and we could be in real trouble. I think we are ahead enough of the time here to call, but not enough to be getting raised on the bigger streets. A lot of people called the raise. Someone's got to be on a big draw (bigger than our Q high flush).I'm not trying to rag on ya. I just want to hear your reasons for betting the turn.

[Smasharoo]

I'm not trying to rag on ya. I just want to hear your reasons for betting the turn.Because giving a free card to flush draws sucks.It's close, but I'd check too.

[princeof56k]

Smasharoo said:

I'm not trying to rag on ya. I just want to hear your reasons for betting the turn.Because giving a free card to flush draws sucks.It's close, but I'd check too.

Ok i got it. I think I confused the hell out of myself because I couldn't decide if we were ahead here often enough. But I do understand why some people would bet the turn here now (I just wasnt thinking).

[RISEorFall]

Cold called 2 PF, then called the cap. My guess is he hit a set. I can't really see what else he is raising you here with unless its like A K-J or something. I don't see a suited connector calling all those bets PF (although some people get all excited when they see those), and I don't see a big made flush playing it this way.

[cdddc75]

Absolute said:

cdddc75 said:

Tabulus said:

No other way to play it really, what was your question?Well at first I was worried that calling it down after having it played back at me was wrong on that board. Now that I look at it though I feel that the pot is large enough to warrant it. Is this correct thinking? Or are my chances to win too slim to call it down?

Folding for single bets on the turn and river in this pot would be terrible. You only have to have your queens hold up 9% of the time or so to make calling worthwhile.

i think he missed a couple bets.

That wasn't the question I was addressing. Missing bets here isn't good, but folding instead of calling down is a much larger mistake.

[Smasharoo]

i think he missed a couple bets. Um, where?