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#1 bascomeb

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Posted 07 June 2005 - 01:55 PM

Have you ever flopped quads with 1 card to it and just bet out or raised with it on the flop. I tried this when my opponent bet into me and it worked perfectly. Here is the handParty Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (6 max, 6 handed) converterMP ($48.5)CO ($28.05)Hero ($50.47)SB ($46.5)BB ($49.72)UTG ($9.42)Preflop: Hero is Button with [9h], [Kc]. SB posts a blind of $0.25. 2 folds, BB checks.Flop: ($1.75) [9d], [9s], [9c] (3 players)BB checks, CO bets $2, BB folds, CO calls $4.Turn: ($13.75) [7h] (2 players)River: ($35.30) [2c] (2 players)Final Pot: $35.30Results in white below: CO has 6c Ah (three of a kind, nines). Hero has 9h Kc (four of a kind, nines). Outcome: Hero wins $35.30. I just laughed at him. He obviously thought my raise was a bluff as he was trying to do. I mean who bets out quads right? haha
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Posted 07 June 2005 - 02:02 PM

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I just laughed at him. He obviously thought my raise was a bluff as he was trying to do. I mean who bets out quads right? haha
You could just as easily be betting something like 77 or 10 10 and not want the ov ers to catch up, so he may decide not to chase his three outer to catch up. I do however like to bet out with monsters into very loose/passive tables b/c its best to just build the pot, they don't care, they will call :-)

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Posted 07 June 2005 - 02:40 PM

fold prefloppraise the poker gods for an opponent who hates money
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Posted 07 June 2005 - 02:48 PM

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fold prefloppraise the poker gods for an opponent who hates money
Fold preflop indeed. I didn't notice that because I'm actually responding to the point of the thread ;-)

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Posted 07 June 2005 - 03:07 PM

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Have you ever flopped quads with 1 card to it and just bet out or raised with it on the flop. I tried this when my opponent bet into me and it worked perfectly. Here is the handParty Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (6 max, 6 handed) converterMP ($48.5)CO ($28.05)Hero ($50.47)SB ($46.5)BB ($49.72)UTG ($9.42)Preflop: Hero is Button with [9h], [Kc]. SB posts a blind of $0.25. 2 folds, BB checks.Flop: ($1.75) [9d], [9s], [9c] (3 players)BB checks, CO bets $2, BB folds, CO calls $4.Turn: ($13.75) [7h] (2 players)River: ($35.30) [2c] (2 players)Final Pot: $35.30Results in white below: CO has 6c Ah (three of a kind, nines). Hero has 9h Kc (four of a kind, nines). Outcome: Hero wins $35.30. I just laughed at him. He obviously thought my raise was a bluff as he was trying to do. I mean who bets out quads right? haha
Why do people post hands when they get lucky with junk? Do they think that everyone will look past the horrible pre-flop calls
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Posted 07 June 2005 - 03:12 PM

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Why do people post hands when they get lucky with junk? Do they think that everyone will look past the horrible pre-flop calls
Some people think that having a sucker bet into them when they hit quads with a garbage hand is impressive.I don't get it either.
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Posted 07 June 2005 - 03:14 PM

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Absolute wrote: Why do people post hands when they get lucky with junk? Do they think that everyone will look past the horrible pre-flop calls
I'm not sure if you saw but for one he was on the button two it is six handed and three it is N/L. I would say it was a marginal hand definitely not complete junk. You guys need to get away from the scared poker and start playing some power poker.in the immortal words of Scotty Ngyuen "It's No Limit...don't you know you don't need a hand to win in No Limit"
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Posted 07 June 2005 - 03:19 PM

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Absolute wrote: Why do people post hands when they get lucky with junk? Do they think that everyone will look past the horrible pre-flop calls
I'm not sure if you saw but for one he was on the button two it is six handed and three it is N/L. I would say it was a marginal hand definitely not complete junk. You guys need to get away from the scared poker and start playing some power poker.in the immortal words of Scotty Ngyuen "It's No Limit...don't you know you don't need a hand to win in No Limit"
Any moron can play power poker after flopping quads.A power play would be to raise this marginal hand preflop instead of limping.For crying out loud, OP's hand wasn't even SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOTED.
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Posted 07 June 2005 - 03:24 PM

I'm just saying that everyone here has been berating this guy for calling with a marginal hand. Nothing wrong with that in N/L 6-handed play. If it were a 10 handed game of course you have to raise if you are going to play this hand IMO
There was madness in any direction, at any hour…You could strike sparks anywhere. There was a fantastic universal sense that whatever we were doing was right, that we were winning…. And that, I think, was the handle-that sense of inevitable victory over the forces of Old and Evil. Not in any mean or military sense; we didn’t need that. Our energy would simply prevail. There was no point in fighting-on our side or theirs. We had all the momentum; we were riding the crest of a high and beautiful wave….So now, less than five years later, you can go up on a steep hill in Las Vegas and look West, and with the right kind of eyes you can almost see the high-water mark-that place where the wave finally broke and rolled back.

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Posted 07 June 2005 - 03:26 PM

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I'm just saying that everyone here has been berating this guy for calling with a marginal hand. Nothing wrong with that in N/L 6-handed play. If it were a 10 handed game of course you have to raise if you are going to play this hand IMO
Well if that's the case, any two cards are as good as any two others.If you're going to limp with K9 off from the button, why not limp with 92 off? You never know when you'll flop quads.
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Posted 07 June 2005 - 03:27 PM

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I'm just saying that everyone here has been berating this guy for calling with a marginal hand. Nothing wrong with that in N/L 6-handed play. If it were a 10 handed game of course you have to raise if you are going to play this hand IMO
you raise K9os?
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Posted 07 June 2005 - 03:30 PM

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Absolute wrote: Why do people post hands when they get lucky with junk? Do they think that everyone will look past the horrible pre-flop calls
I'm not sure if you saw but for one he was on the button two it is six handed and three it is N/L. I would say it was a marginal hand definitely not complete junk. You guys need to get away from the scared poker and start playing some power poker.in the immortal words of Scotty Ngyuen "It's No Limit...don't you know you don't need a hand to win in No Limit"
Any moron can play power poker after flopping quads.A power play would be to raise this marginal hand preflop instead of limping.For crying out loud, OP's hand wasn't even SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOTED.
THIS ISN'T LIMIT YOU IDIOT!!! ITS CALLED NO LIMIT! Sometimes i call with marginals hands becuase i can play them during the hand. My style is aggressive and I like to play flops. That is why I PLAY 6 HANDED IDIOT! This isn't a full ring game of limit. I know when to fold K9 if flop is King and someoen is betting into me. I know how to play it. So don't talk at all you limit freak
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Posted 07 June 2005 - 03:30 PM

no because 92 off isn't a marginal hand anymore that is just plain crazy. The fact is there are a plethera off possibilities in Hold em and you know this just as well as I do. THere are more possibilities with K9 than 92. If he had said so i called with 92 I would be right there with you telling him what a numbskull call that is but as i said before for one it is 6 handed you have to open your calling possibilities a little bit more for that type of game.
There was madness in any direction, at any hour…You could strike sparks anywhere. There was a fantastic universal sense that whatever we were doing was right, that we were winning…. And that, I think, was the handle-that sense of inevitable victory over the forces of Old and Evil. Not in any mean or military sense; we didn’t need that. Our energy would simply prevail. There was no point in fighting-on our side or theirs. We had all the momentum; we were riding the crest of a high and beautiful wave….So now, less than five years later, you can go up on a steep hill in Las Vegas and look West, and with the right kind of eyes you can almost see the high-water mark-that place where the wave finally broke and rolled back.

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Posted 07 June 2005 - 03:32 PM

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I'm just saying that everyone here has been berating this guy for calling with a marginal hand. Nothing wrong with that in N/L 6-handed play. If it were a 10 handed game of course you have to raise if you are going to play this hand IMO
you raise K9os?
I did not raise. I called ON THE BUTTON 6 HANDED!!!Keep playing ABC Poker and making $4 an hour limit freaks
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Posted 07 June 2005 - 03:33 PM

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I'm just saying that everyone here has been berating this guy for calling with a marginal hand. Nothing wrong with that in N/L 6-handed play. If it were a 10 handed game of course you have to raise if you are going to play this hand IMO
you raise K9os?
I did not raise. I called ON THE BUTTON 6 HANDED!!!Keep playing ABC Poker and making $4 an hour limit freaks
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Posted 07 June 2005 - 03:34 PM

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I'm just saying that everyone here has been berating this guy for calling with a marginal hand. Nothing wrong with that in N/L 6-handed play. If it were a 10 handed game of course you have to raise if you are going to play this hand IMO
You don't really know what you are talking about.There is a common misconception that you have to play a plethra of new hands 6 handed. K9o is NOT a limp in a 6 handed game from any position. It is garbage, treat it as so.Just because this is Daniel Negreanu's website and you have seen him play 46s doesn't mean you can justify playing any hand in position.It is an easy fold pre-flop.
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Posted 07 June 2005 - 03:35 PM

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dapokerbum wrote: I'm just saying that everyone here has been berating this guy for calling with a marginal hand. Nothing wrong with that in N/L 6-handed play. If it were a 10 handed game of course you have to raise if you are going to play this hand IMO you raise K9os?
No i was saying that in a 10 handed game IF i were to play K9o on the button then I would have to raise otherwise I might as well fold
There was madness in any direction, at any hour…You could strike sparks anywhere. There was a fantastic universal sense that whatever we were doing was right, that we were winning…. And that, I think, was the handle-that sense of inevitable victory over the forces of Old and Evil. Not in any mean or military sense; we didn’t need that. Our energy would simply prevail. There was no point in fighting-on our side or theirs. We had all the momentum; we were riding the crest of a high and beautiful wave….So now, less than five years later, you can go up on a steep hill in Las Vegas and look West, and with the right kind of eyes you can almost see the high-water mark-that place where the wave finally broke and rolled back.

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Posted 07 June 2005 - 03:35 PM

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THIS ISN'T LIMIT YOU IDIOT!!! ITS CALLED NO LIMIT! Sometimes i call with marginals hands becuase i can play them during the hand. My style is aggressive and I like to play flops. That is why I PLAY 6 HANDED IDIOT! This isn't a full ring game of limit. I know when to fold K9 if flop is King and someoen is betting into me. I know how to play it. So don't talk at all you limit freak
Congratulations for catching quads with a marginal hand and, more importantly, catching them against someone who hates money.Do you want a cookie too? The money should really be its own reward here.ANYONE could play flopped quads. Even JFarrell20.
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Posted 07 June 2005 - 03:37 PM

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no because 92 off isn't a marginal hand anymore that is just plain crazy. The fact is there are a plethera off possibilities in Hold em and you know this just as well as I do. THere are more possibilities with K9 than 92. If he had said so i called with 92 I would be right there with you telling him what a numbskull call that is but as i said before for one it is 6 handed you have to open your calling possibilities a little bit more for that type of game.
True, there are more possibilities with K9 off than 92 off. You might catch a king and trap yourself against a higher kicker, for one. Um...uh...hmmm, what other differences are there that are highly profitable between K9 and 92? Flopping QJT?
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Posted 07 June 2005 - 03:38 PM

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You don't really know what you are talking about.
How long have you been playing poker? Do you play Limit or N/L??Just wondering if you have the room to talk...not to start a flaming war.
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