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[CobaltBlue]

I've been developing my LHE game for a few months now. I played primarily NLHE with some LO8 for six months following October. I've posted a couple hands before, and it was usually made pretty clear that I misplayed them in some form, so I'm looking for more of that input.I recently had my best LHE session ever of +46BB, so I'm looking for responses on my winning hands. Not looking for a pat on the back (though that's welcome too) as much as "you missed a bet here". My guess is that I'm still playing too passively. These are converted by hand, so tell me if you see any technical problems.Bodog Limit 2-4Table is pretty loose (~40% to flop) with one occasionally aggressive fish--------------------------------Hand 1 (9-handed)Cobalt is UTG+1 with 9 9 Pre-flopUTG calls, Cobalt calls, UTG+2 calls, MP1 raises, 3 folds, SB calls, BB calls, UTG calls, Cobalt calls, UTG+2 callsFlop (6 players): 9 5 K :diamond:SB checks, BB bets, UTG calls, Cobalt calls, UTG+2 calls, MP1 folds, SB callsTurn (5 players): 4 :diamond:SB checks, BB checks, UTG bets, Cobalt raises, 3 folds, UTG callsRiver (2 players): 8 UTG checks, Cobalt bets, UTG callsFinal pot: 14 BBUTG mucks K 9 --------------------------------Hand 2 (10-handed)Cobalt is UTG with K Q :diamond:Pre-flopCobalt calls, 5 folds, CO (Mr. Aggressive) raises, button calls, 2 folds, Cobalt callsFlop (3 players): J 6 9 :diamond:Cobalt checks, CO bets, button calls, Cobalt callsTurn (3 players): 7 Cobalt checks, CO bets, button calls, Cobalt callsRiver (3 players): T Cobalt checks, CO checks, button bets, Cobalt raises, 2 foldsFinal pot: 10 BB--------------------------------Hand 3 (9-handed)Cobalt is MP1 with A 7 :club:Pre-flop2 folds, UTG+2 calls, Cobalt calls, MP2 raises, 3 folds, BB calls, UTG+2 calls, Cobalt callsFlop (4 players): 9 A 2 BB checks, UTG+2 checks, Cobalt checks, MP2 bets, BB folds, UTG+2 calls, Cobalt raises, MP2 calls, UTG+2 callsTurn (3 players): 9 UTG+2 checks, Cobalt bets, MP2 calls, UTG+2 foldsRiver (2 players): 2 :heart:Cobalt bets, MP2 callsFinal pot: 11 BBMP2 mucks Q Q --------------------------------Hand 4 (7-handed)Cobalt is UTG with 2 2 :heart:Pre-flopCobalt calls, UTG+1 calls, 2 folds, button calls, SB calls, BB checksFlop (5 players): 5 2 K :heart:SB bets, BB bets, Cobalt calls, 1 fold, button callsTurn (4 players): K :club:SB bets, 1 fold, Cobalt raises, 1 fold, SB callsRiver (2 players): A :heart:SB checks, Cobalt bets, SB calls.Final pot: 10 BBSB mucks K 9

[Absolute]

ok...some big leaks here lets see whats up.1st handeasy pre-flop raise.raise the flop.2nd handanother easy pre-flop raiselead the floplead the turn3rd handlead the flop call a raise4th handraise the flopyou need to stop slowplaying draw heavy boards

[wrto4556]

Absolute said:

ok...some big leaks here lets see whats up.1st handeasy pre-flop raise.raise the flop.2nd handanother easy pre-flop raiselead the floplead the turn3rd handlead the flop call a raise4th handraise the flopyou need to stop slowplaying draw heavy boards

[Vade]

Hand 1: Raise preflop!Add raise the flop here!Hand 2: Raise preflop, and bet the flop...even three bet it if raised (I didn't see you were first to act oopsies )Both of these are automatic preflop raises.Hand 3: I don't like how you played this hand at all.What does check-raising accomplish here? It just spews chips to a bigger ace. I'd bet the flop and check/call it down from there.Hand 4: Gotta raise the flop, with that flush draw out there...jam that sucker with bottom set

[cdddc75]

[quote="CobaltBlue"]Raise Hand 1 preflop and again on the flop. Raising that preflop actually makes it harder for others to put you on a set.Raise Hand 2 preflop (KQs is a big hand). Since you limped preflop, check/raise that flop. Lead the river. You're lucky your nut hand wasn't checked through.I'd lead the flop on Hand 3 hoping that MP2 raises to price out the flush draws. Check/raising wasn't awful though.Raise the flop on Hand 4 to punish the flush draws. Rest is fine.It looks like you're depending on others to do a lot of betting for you. Be careful about that. You'll give away a lot of free cards and value bets doing that.

[CobaltBlue]

cdddc75 said:

It looks like you're depending on others to do a lot of betting for you. Be careful about that. You'll give away a lot of free cards and value bets doing that.

The general consensus seems to be that my slowplays got lucky. That's kind of what I figured was coming. I guess I'm getting too much in the mindset of trying to raise or check-raise the turn for value.I guess I'll go through my rationale on the hands...though I'm not sure how helpful that will be. Well, actually...critique my rationale.Hand 1I have a difficult time playing middle pocket pairs...particularly from early position. I feel like if I raise, I'll get very few callers (and miss a big pot when I flop a set) or I'll get a few callers and a bunch of overcards will flop. Thus, I end up limping a lot. I think I need to review some limit charts. As for my smooth call on the flop, I was expecting that the pre-flop raiser would re-raise...thus pulling in lots of flop bets. I thought I might've hurt myself when he folded.Hand 2KQs is another hand that I have trouble raising with from EP...so again, I limp. For some reason, I really felt like I should bet the flop or 3-bet it...but then a little voice told me to draw my unmade hand cheaply. As for check-raising the river...my two opponents were aggressive enough with their continuation bets (I'd never seen them check a river) that I figured I could count on a bet. It was a gamble that I was willing to take.Hand 3I check-raised this hand for information...though I suppose that I should've just bet it for information. I wanted to see if he had a big ace. His call told me that he didn't.Hand 4This gets to the root of my worry. I feel like if I raise that flop, I'll get checked to on the turn...thus missing potential turn bets. Oh, and I also thought that Mr. Aggressive on the button might raise the flop.Anyway, I appreciate the advice, guys. I look forward to the day when I actually play a hand correctly all the way through. =)

[CobaltBlue]

Okay...time for round 2. I decided to sit down and play some more in hopes of playing a hand correctly...Bodog Limit 2-4 -------------------------------- Hand 1 (9-handed) Cobalt is MP1 with 5 5 :club:Pre-flop 1 fold, UTG+1 calls, 1 fold, Cobalt calls, 1 fold, CO calls, button calls, SB calls, BB checksFlop (6 players): 5 J T SB checks, BB checks, UTG+1 bets, Cobalt raises, 1 fold, button calls, 2 folds, UTG+1 callsTurn (3 players): J UTG+1 checks, Cobalt bets, button calls, UTG+1 foldsRiver (2 players): Q :club:Cobalt bets, button raises, Cobalt 3-bets, button callsFinal pot: 13.5 BB Button mucks K 9 -------------------------------- Hand 2 (10-handed) MP1 is playing ridiculous hands...like cold-calling a raise PF w/ 24osCobalt is button with K T Pre-flop 3 folds, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, MP3 folds, CO checks (posted), Cobalt calls, SB calls, BB checksFlop (7 players): 2 3 K :spade:MP1 checks, MP2 checks, MP3 checks, CO bets, Cobalt raises, 2 folds, MP1 calls, 1 fold, CO callsTurn (3 players): T :diamond:MP1 checks, CO checks, Cobalt bets, MP1 calls, CO foldsRiver (2 players): A MP1 bets, Cobalt raises, MP1 callsFinal pot: 11 BB MP1 mucks A 5 -------------------------------- Hand 3 (9-handed) Cobalt is CO with 4 4 :club:Pre-flop 2 folds, UTG+2 calls, MP1 checks (posted), MP2 folds, Cobalt calls, button folds, SB calls, BB checksFlop (5 players): 5 8 4 :heart:SB bets, BB calls, UTG+2 folds, MP1 raises, Cobalt 3-bets, SB calls, BB folds, MP1 callsTurn (3 players): J :spade:SB checks, MP1 checks, Cobalt bets, SB calls, MP1 callsRiver (2 players): 2 SB checks, MP1 checks, Cobalt bets, SB folds, MP1 callsFinal pot: 11 BB MP1 mucks Q 8 :spade:Better?

[Vade]

Much better!I play hand one the same wayHand two, I don't like the river raise otherwise it's fineHand three is perfect! w00t

[Absolute]

Well played on those later hands Cobalt. You should also noticed that your aggression got your more bets.I would be interested to hear if anyone argues raising K10o on the button in that second one.

[Vade]

I see the argument...there's some dead money in this hand, with an extra poster, that will probably all call the extra bets with crap hands. It's worth a consideration. I'd raise this suited easily...dunno about off

[cdddc75]

Absolute said:

I would be interested to hear if anyone argues raising K10o on the button in that second one.

Against a table this loose and passive, absolutely. First and foremost, it's definitely a raise for value. Raising preflop also lets me draw cheaply if the flop doesn't hit me well.I had thought "preflop raise" when I read that hand also.Nice hands CobaltBlue. Much improved.

[Jubba]

Vade said:

Hand two, I don't like the river raise otherwise it's fine

Just for arguments sake, why not? There's no flush possible, a straight is unlikely. Players at this level often call down with a bare Ace and then throw out a bet on the river. Especially if you know the villian is a complete donk... I'm not saying a raise here is always a +EV play, but if you know your opponent has the mentality of a road-flare then it could be a profitable move.

[DKE_XP120]

am I the only one folding Pocket 2's UTG?

[Absolute]

DKE_XP120 said:

am I the only one folding Pocket 2's UTG?

if you are folding any pair in EP, you need to practice better table selection

[cdddc75]

DKE_XP120 said:

am I the only one folding Pocket 2's UTG?

Power deuces are gold.

[DKE_XP120]

Absolute said:

DKE_XP120 said:

am I the only one folding Pocket 2's UTG?

if you are folding any pair in EP, you need to practice better table selection

Eh.... I think my selection is pretty good..... I could be wrong, but I gotta disagree with the ducks from UTGSteve93 (2:04:51 AM): i've been folding low pockets from UTGJaysonWeber22 (2:05:17 AM): how lowJaysonWeber22 (2:05:21 AM): 22-55 you shouldJaysonWeber22 (2:05:29 AM): 66 I will sometimesI recently had a convo with jay about my weak/tightness lately, but he agreed with me on this point

[wrto4556]

It matters what game you are playing. When I jumped from 2/4 to 3/6 I stopped playing little pairs in EP unless the game was just good. It's hard to find those games.

[Absolute]

DKE_XP120 said:

Absolute said:

DKE_XP120 said:

am I the only one folding Pocket 2's UTG?

if you are folding any pair in EP, you need to practice better table selection

Eh.... I think my selection is pretty good..... I could be wrong, but I gotta disagree with the ducks from UTGSteve93 (2:04:51 AM): i've been folding low pockets from UTGJaysonWeber22 (2:05:17 AM): how lowJaysonWeber22 (2:05:21 AM): 22-55 you shouldJaysonWeber22 (2:05:29 AM): 66 I will sometimesI recently had a convo with jay about my weak/tightness lately, but he agreed with me on this point

I am going to disagree with Jayson here.If you are at a table that is seeing at least 30% of flops, your net gains when hitting a set should outweigh the net loss.

[Absolute]

Jayson, read back over SSHE.(On Small Pairs)"Small stakes games are almost always loose. In most games you can play these hands profitably from any position if it has not yet been raised."Therefore, practice good table selection and you can play small pairs PF.Any further disagreement?