questionable move on the flop

[AlexHoops 0]

MP3 is a rock... I made a questionable play on the flop, any thoughts?Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (10 handed) converterPreflop: Hero is MP2 with [9s], [9c]. 4 folds, Hero calls.Flop: (7.50 SB) [6c], [7c], [Qs] (2 players)Hero checks, MP3 bets, Hero calls.Turn: (6.75 BB) [Jc] (2 players)Hero checks, MP3 bets, Hero folds.Final Pot: 7.75 BB

[BeanGW 0]

MP3 is a rock... I made a questionable play on the flop, any thoughts?Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (10 handed) converterPreflop: Hero is MP2 with [9s], [9c]. 4 folds, Hero calls.Flop: (7.50 SB) [6c], [7c], [Qs] (2 players)Hero checks, MP3 bets, Hero calls.Turn: (6.75 BB) [Jc] (2 players)Hero checks, MP3 bets, Hero folds.Final Pot: 7.75 BB

Hmmm... interesting play. I would have just bet into him on the flop myself. Then a raise would indicate to me either A-Q, K's or A's... and although I would call a single raise, if I didn't hit my 9 on the turn I might just check/fold to a solid player. The check raise is tough IMHO because I really think you get less info out of the play many times... personally I prefer to do it when two situations occur together A) I have a two pair or stronger... and B) there are no draws on the board. Here you have second pair and there are two potential draws on the board (flush and straight). With your PF raise, he's likely to only bet into you with a Q or a very strong draw. I would have just Bet/folded the flop since there was a pf reraise to my initial bet. I dunno, maybe that's a weak tight play though... but against a rock, that's what I'd have to do.

[AlexHoops 0]

I think I like your approach to this hand better. Also, I forgot to mention he was a rock after 45 or so hands. A weak read is better than no read though.

[Vade 0]

I would have just Bet/folded the flop since there was a pf reraise to my initial bet. I dunno, maybe that's a weak tight play though... but against a rock, that's what I'd have to do.

I agree...bet and fold to a raise. A rock almost assuredly has you beat, the only hands that you are ahead of that he probably could have is AK or 88. And that is ridiculously unlikely

[DCWildcat 0]

I agree with Vade's comments.I'm all about leading into that flop and folding to a raise. Your cards don't justify the c/r, and even if he calls, an overcard might turn, and you'll be in trouble.

[wrto4556 0]

If you're going to C/r, fold to the 3-bet.What does a rock 3-bet with preflop? AA-TT...I probably C/f the flop against a tight/passive player. C/r a TAG.bet/folding doesnt accomplish anything. You bet, AK raises, you fold. Waste.

[Absolute 0]

Bet/folding isn't a very good line here.I actually can't think of why it is being suggested at all.I think I might check/fold this flop against a rock.His PF 3bet puts him on 1010-AA or AK if he is actually a rock.Even if you bet the flop here, he is raising you with AK. He is raising you about 100% of the time.Bet/fold is a wasted bet here.I like the check/raise more because he might fold AK or 1010 or slam on the brakes.Check/folding is fine too.

[TJ_Eckleburg 0]

I'd lead into the flop, call one raise, and lead into the turn for a non-overcard. If another overcard comes on the turn, I'd check/fold.I'd definitely lead into the queen, and then lead into the turn. If he raises the turn you're obviously behind (AK shouldn't raise two streets with just overs).

[Absolute 0]

I'd lead into the flop, call one raise, and lead into the turn for a non-overcard. If another overcard comes on the turn, I'd check/fold.I'd definitely lead into the queen, and then lead into the turn. If he raises the turn you're obviously behind (AK shouldn't raise two streets with just overs).

this play is ok most of the timenot against a rock though

[TJ_Eckleburg 0]

this play is ok most of the time not against a rock though

So the checkraise is better against a rock?I pretty much play the same way. Part of the reason is I don't yet have pokertracker, and I play .50/1 where there aren't a whole lot of rocks. Obviously I give some players more credit for a raise than others, but I don't dynamically alter my strategy for a few people at the table.

[Absolute 0]

this play is ok most of the time not against a rock though

So the checkraise is better against a rock?I pretty much play the same way. Part of the reason is I don't yet have pokertracker, and I play .50/1 where there aren't a whole lot of rocks. Obviously I give some players more credit for a raise than others, but I don't dynamically alter my strategy for a few people at the table.

A check/raise is better than a bet/call, yes.I think bet/fold is about the worst possible line we are looking at.I think check/fold is a serious consideration if this is an "eagle" we are up against here.