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[jimhoff14]

playing in a $20 NLH tourney. 27 entries, start with $50 in chips and the blinds start at $1 $2 and stay for an hour and then double every 30 min.This is supposed to be a fast tournament so it is set up that way.Situation:There are 13 people left, two tables, only top 5 get paid. blinds are at $5 $10 and you are in the BB with only about $65 chips, not smallest stack but definately on the lower side. First off, you are playing to win this tournament and really don't care for 2nd or 3rd place much.you are delt K J UG+1 calls and everyone else folds to SB who calls. The reads on these players are that UG+1 is pretty much a calling station who loves to see flops and has a decent amount of chips, but he will fold to a pretty good size raise. SB is TAG who doesn't play many hands, but he will usually come into a pot with a raise if he has good cards. He doesn't really limp too often.Now your options are to just check of course, raise, or move all in. What do you do?

[jimhoff14]

Some feedback would be greatly appreciated because I was in this situation and I want to find out if I made the correct move

[amarillotg]

a standard size raise (3-5 x BB) is 50% or more of your stack. if you make a standard size raise your pot committed anyway. im all-in.

[gobears]

Based on your read of the two players that limped in, I would have to go all-in as they both should fold.If I didn't have a read, then I would just check as KJo is not that great of a hand and see the flop for free.

[jimhoff14]

I don't think there is any good reason to check here IMO because there is I think there is a good chance that both will fold and if someone calls, chances are you won't be far behind. The Sb calls with anything and the BB would have raised with anything good. Also you are getting pretty short stacked and might get blinded out soon if you don't make a move, there are still 13 people left.

[slash]

I'm mostly a limit player, but a check seems like a no brainer to me. Why push all your chips in with a mediocre hand before you've even seen the flop, when you could see it for free, and when there is very little to be won? See if you at least catch a piece before committing all your chips unnecessarily. If I catch a piece, I'm probably making a good sized bet.

[DCWildcat]

slash said:

I'm mostly a limit player, but a check seems like a no brainer to me. Why push all your chips in with a mediocre hand before you've even seen the flop, when you could see it for free, and when there is very little to be won? See if you at least catch a piece before committing all your chips unnecessarily. If I catch a piece, I'm probably making a good sized bet.

You want to push because1) You probably have the best hand, and you don't want two others to the flop. You want this heads up.2) The blinds are absolutely brutal, and doubling up before the next round is absolutely essential. This will likely be the be hand and the best spot by then, so pushing is best here, rather than later.

[jimhoff14]

slash said:

I'm mostly a limit player, but a check seems like a no brainer to me. Why push all your chips in with a mediocre hand before you've even seen the flop, when you could see it for free, and when there is very little to be won? See if you at least catch a piece before committing all your chips unnecessarily. If I catch a piece, I'm probably making a good sized bet.

If you just check you are giving up an opportunity to atleast pick up two blinds if not double up IMO. If you just check and don't hit the flop you are only left with 5bb and you still need to get through the SB. There is a good chance that your hand is best and you probably won't get a better opportunity to double up before being blinded out

[CieloAzor]

Regardless of reads, this is a push and it's not close.There's $30 in the pot. You have $55 left behind. And crazily enough, you should have pretty good fold equity here. We've got a limper and a guy completing from the small blind. They agreed to pay 10 and 5 to see the flop, respectively. They probably aren't interested in calling another 55.If you get a call, so what? You're hardly ever dominated here. The chips in the middle make a race totally worth it. Don't ever check here.Now tell us how you lost the hand. :cry:

[jimhoff14]

well heres how it ended.I moved all in of course and UTG+1 folded and it came to the small blind who took a very long time to think about it then he called. He had 8 8 Flop came Q 7 4 Turn 10 River 7 So it was pretty much a coin flip and after the turn i had a decent amount of outs but unfortunately none of them hit

[Makata]

At the expense of sounding results oriented, that is exactly why you shouldn't shove.While your chip position may be a bit weak, you have to consider the fact that JKo is just not a good hand and there's a very good chance you're going to get called and beaten. I think waiting for a couple hands to try and take the blinds with position would have been a far better option.This of course is assuming you don't hit. If you do then you could very easily get more chips than if you had just shoved pre, as when JK hits its very often winning. Plus there's the bluff factor. On that flop SB could have checked, you shove, and SB could easily have mucked 88.

[jimhoff14]

Makata said:

At the expense of sounding results oriented, that is exactly why you shouldn't shove.While your chip position may be a bit weak, you have to consider the fact that JKo is just not a good hand and there's a very good chance you're going to get called and beaten. I think waiting for a couple hands to try and take the blinds with position would have been a far better option.This of course is assuming you don't hit. If you do then you could very easily get more chips than if you had just shoved pre, as when JK hits its very often winning. Plus there's the bluff factor. On that flop SB could have checked, you shove, and SB could easily have mucked 88.

I knew it was going to be at worst a coin flip in this situation and I was willing to take the chance to double up because I don't think there would be a better chance before I get blinded out. I know KJo is not a very good hand but it still beats a lot in the position I was. I was definately willing for a coinflip if I did get called.

[Petoria]

I really want to see the flop with a hand like this. I think it's too aggressive to simple move all in. By not raising you can represent more hands on the flop. That way you get most A high's to lay down. Maybe even a low PP.